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[09:01:13] &lt;mdz&gt; cjwatson, Keybuk, hi<br />
[09:01:25] &lt;mdz&gt; kees sent apologies<br />
[09:01:40] &lt;mdz&gt; I believe pitti is away<br />
[09:01:42] &lt;cjwatson&gt; hi<br />
[09:01:55] &lt;mdz&gt; [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TechnicalBoardAgenda<br />
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[09:02:43] &lt;mdz&gt; sabdfl is online but I haven't heard from him<br />
[09:02:45] &lt;cjwatson&gt; robbiew has once again scheduled our weekly catch-up to clash with the TB, so I'll see what happens when he comes online<br />
[09:02:46] &lt;mdz&gt; ah, hi<br />
[09:03:06] &lt;sabdfl&gt; hello hello<br />
[09:03:09] &lt;oubiwann&gt; mdz: he was on a meeting with us<br />
[09:03:42] &lt;mdz&gt; Keybuk is marked away but was around earlier<br />
[09:03:47] &lt;Keybuk&gt; I'm here<br />
[09:03:51] &lt;mdz&gt; ah hi<br />
[09:04:01] &lt;mdz&gt; [topic] Action review<br />
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[09:04:05] &lt;mdz&gt; mdz to draft plan/process for brainstorm<br />
[09:04:09] &lt;mdz&gt; this is done, draft is on technical-board@<br />
[09:04:18] &lt;Keybuk&gt; I saw<br />
[09:04:18] &lt;mdz&gt; I got some feedback from sabdfl so far<br />
[09:04:45] &lt;cjwatson&gt; it looked fine to me<br />
[09:04:53] &lt;mdz&gt; the executive summary is: Every 3 months, the Technical Board would review a selection of the most popular items on brainstorm.ubuntu.com, and arrange for project representatives to comment on them.<br />
[09:05:06] &lt;cjwatson&gt; I can't say I mind either way about when we do the review<br />
[09:05:24] &lt;Keybuk&gt; the important thing seemed to be just that some review happens<br />
[09:05:28] &lt;mdz&gt; [link] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/technical-board/2010-September/000493.html<br />
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[09:05:39] &lt;cjwatson&gt; as long as it's not a single giant epic meeting (and your most recent mail on the subject suggeted it wouldn't it)<br />
[09:05:41] &lt;mdz&gt; yeah, so the most important bit is the fact that the TB is responsible for making it happen<br />
[09:05:44] &lt;cjwatson&gt; *suggested it wowuldn't be<br />
[09:05:46] &lt;cjwatson&gt; argh.  lag<br />
[09:05:51] &lt;mdz&gt; though not (hopefully) for creating all of the content<br />
[09:06:12] &lt;cjwatson&gt; delegation :-)<br />
[09:06:26] &lt;mdz&gt; I put this back on the agenda for this meeting just to confirm it, so we'll come back to that<br />
[09:06:30] &lt;mdz&gt; cjwatson to review and defraft TB wiki pages to match current governance practice<br />
[09:06:38] &lt;cjwatson&gt; done an hour or so ago<br />
[09:06:42] &lt;mdz&gt; thanks<br />
[09:06:42] &lt;mdz&gt; Keybuk to invoke lamont for ia64/sparc drop<br />
[09:07:00] &lt;Keybuk&gt; there is an RT ticket filed<br />
[09:07:05] &lt;cjwatson&gt; this was in progress - lamont was working with bigjools on it<br />
[09:07:25] &lt;mdz&gt; any further action needed from the TB?<br />
[09:07:33] &lt;cjwatson&gt; I got an LP patch landed to drop the architectures from cron.germinate, and nuked the installer-* directories<br />
[09:07:37] &lt;cjwatson&gt; (which was about all I could do to help)<br />
[09:07:38] &lt;Keybuk&gt; 41039<br />
[09:07:40] &lt;cjwatson&gt; I don't think sos<br />
[09:07:49] &lt;mdz&gt; ok, thanks Keybuk<br />
[09:07:50] &lt;mdz&gt; pitti to follow up with kees on-list (re: Chromium security updates)<br />
[09:08:03] &lt;mdz&gt; neither pitti nor kees is here today, but does anyone know what happened with this?<br />
[09:08:17] &lt;Keybuk&gt; buildds are not getting new uploads, binaries and pending builds deleted, and the SQL to delete the series is slowly progressing<br />
[09:08:34] &lt;mdz&gt; there's been nothing further on the list since that meeting<br />
[09:08:48] &lt;mdz&gt; so I'm inclined to carry this over<br />
[09:09:02] &lt;mdz&gt; [topic] Brainstorm proposal [mdz]<br />
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[09:09:10] &lt;mdz&gt;  [link] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/technical-board/2010-September/000493.html<br />
[09:09:12] &lt;mdz&gt; [link] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/technical-board/2010-September/000493.html<br />
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[09:09:49] &lt;mdz&gt; so assuming we manage the work appropriately so that it doesn't drop as one big todo list in a short span of time<br />
[09:09:54] &lt;mdz&gt; are there any other questions or concerns?<br />
[09:10:32] &lt;mdz&gt; there are two open questions in the proposal<br />
[09:10:41] &lt;mdz&gt; both to do with how we actually select which ones to comment on<br />
[09:11:01] &lt;mdz&gt; but I don't see that as a blocker; we can always apply some judgement on the spot if needed<br />
[09:11:13] &lt;cjwatson&gt; this is the sort of thing I'd prefer we figured out the first time we did it<br />
[09:11:24] &lt;cjwatson&gt; rather than trying to figure out what the right thing will be in advance<br />
[09:11:27] &lt;mdz&gt; agreed<br />
[09:11:40] &lt;mdz&gt; the only potential gotcha is if brainstorm doesn't collect the data we need to make a decision<br />
[09:11:56] &lt;mdz&gt; which I think is acceptable at this point<br />
[09:12:19] &lt;mdz&gt; the worst case scenario is that we do some extra work to filter the data when the time comes<br />
[09:12:38] &lt;mdz&gt; if there's nothing else, I'd like to go ahead and vote on this<br />
[09:13:19] &lt;mdz&gt; [vote] Brainstorm review proposal in https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/technical-board/2010-September/000493.html<br />
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[09:13:28] &lt;mdz&gt; +1<br />
[09:13:38] &lt;Keybuk&gt; +1<br />
[09:13:56] &lt;sabdfl&gt; +1<br />
[09:14:58] &lt;mdz&gt; cjwatson was experiencing some lag earlier...<br />
[09:15:05] &lt;cjwatson&gt; +1<br />
[09:15:11] &lt;mdz&gt; #endvote<br />
[09:15:20] &lt;mdz&gt; [endvote]<br />
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[09:15:44] &lt;mdz&gt; [action] mdz to implement brainstorm reviews as proposed<br />
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[09:15:54] &lt;mdz&gt; [topic] Application Review Board [mdz for jono]<br />
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[09:16:10] &lt;mdz&gt; so jono sent an RFC to the list<br />
[09:16:12] &lt;mdz&gt; [link] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/technical-board/2010-September/000483.html<br />
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[09:16:31] &lt;mdz&gt; and got feedback from me, sabdfl, kees, cjwatson and Keybuk<br />
[09:17:17] &lt;mdz&gt; he asked one more question about the term<br />
[09:17:31] &lt;mdz&gt; I think if folks here agree that 6 months is an appropriate initial term, then we can close this out<br />
[09:18:16] &lt;sabdfl&gt; fine by me<br />
[09:18:17] &lt;mdz&gt; (I do)<br />
[09:18:31] &lt;cjwatson&gt; I don't see a problem there<br />
[09:19:11] &lt;mdz&gt; any thoughts on what we should do when that term expires? should these be elected positions like the DMB, or simply appointed?<br />
[09:20:39] &lt;mdz&gt; I guess we can defer that question until later<br />
[09:20:43] &lt;sabdfl&gt; even elected positions are still shortlisted by us<br />
[09:20:57] &lt;mdz&gt; I'll go back to jono and affirm that we can go ahead with setting itup<br />
[09:21:07] &lt;mdz&gt; [action] mdz to respond to jono re: application review board<br />
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[09:21:09] &lt;sabdfl&gt; so, i would say stick to direct delegation till we have a use case for broader participation<br />
[09:21:24] &lt;cjwatson&gt; I'm not sure we can decide that until we know what sort of size the community is<br />
[09:21:42] &lt;mdz&gt; ok<br />
[09:21:45] &lt;sabdfl&gt; if the app publication process takes off as we'd like it to, that would be a meaningful improvement on the Apple app approval process :)<br />
[09:22:04] &lt;mdz&gt; moving on then<br />
[09:22:06] &lt;mdz&gt; [topic] AOB<br />
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[09:22:16] &lt;mdz&gt; I scanned the mailing list and community bugs when putting the agenda together, so I think those are clear<br />
[09:22:38] &lt;mdz&gt; anything else? going once...<br />
[09:22:47] &lt;mdz&gt; twice...<br />
[09:22:48] &lt;Keybuk&gt; sabdfl: to be fair, the bar there is so slow you trip over it on the way in<br />
[09:23:00] &lt;sabdfl&gt; :)<br />
[09:23:00] &lt;Keybuk&gt; of course, what we also don't want to end up with is the Android app approval process :)<br />
[09:23:07] &lt;Keybuk&gt; which is a bit like the Facebook/Skins House Party of processes<br />
[09:23:10] &lt;sabdfl&gt; indeed<br />
[09:23:36] &lt;mdz&gt; [agreed] chair for the next meeting (alphabetically) is pitti<br />
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[09:23:55] &lt;halvors&gt; Who meeting is this?<br />
[09:24:03] &lt;sabdfl&gt; halvors: TB<br />
[09:24:06] &lt;mdz&gt; halvors, technical board<br />
[09:24:12] &lt;halvors&gt; Ok.<br />
[09:24:15] &lt;mdz&gt; ...and it's over, thanks all<br />
[09:24:16] &lt;mdz&gt; #endmeeting<br />
Meeting ended.<br />