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[09:32:59] <cjwatson> I'll take over then
[09:33:01] * kees hopes that mootbot looks at more than just nick
[09:33:11] <cjwatson> so yes, there was a DMB election; I'll just dig up the log
[09:33:49] <cjwatson> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2011/02/14/%23ubuntu-meeting.html#t12:16
[09:34:08] <cjwatson> the effect of this is that Iain Lane and Mackenzie Morgan replace Soren Hansen and Colin Watson
[09:34:31] <cjwatson> [TOPIC] DMB changes
[09:35:05] <cjwatson> if there are no objections, I can make those changes to the LP team
[09:35:47] <cjwatson> oh, there are expired members too; Emmet Hikory, Michael Bienia, Stéphane Graber, and Cody Somerville should be reinstated
[09:36:18] <pitti> I thought their memberships were temporarily extended
[09:37:14] <mdz> cjwatson, my action above is done: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-community/+bug/374900/comments/39
[09:37:16] <ubottu> Ubuntu bug 374900 in faac (Ubuntu) "Libfaac not LGPL" [High,Triaged]
[09:38:06] <cjwatson> pitti: they were, until the last DMB meeting :)
[09:38:15] <kees> mdz: oh, you meant the canonical calendar? what about the fridge?
[09:38:53] <mdz> kees, it's on the Ubuntu Engineering calendar, with an invitation extended to the fridge calendar (so it's the same event)
[09:39:09] <mdz> CIVS results are at http://www.cs.cornell.edu/w8/~andru/cgi-perl/civs/results.pl?id=E_924ef5b8e9f6d03b
[09:39:26] <mdz> I see no reason why cjwatson should not go ahead and update LP with those results
[09:40:10] <cjwatson> [ACTION] cjwatson to update LP in light of DMB election
[09:40:17] <cjwatson> [TOPIC] Action review
[09:40:22] <cjwatson> mdz - Review ubuntu-drivers membership and make sure it includes (only) people who need to manage blueprints
[09:40:30] <mdz> so the members are:
[09:40:30] <mdz> Alexander Sack
[09:40:31] <mdz> Canonical Ubuntu QA Team
[09:40:31] <mdz> Colin Watson
[09:40:31] <mdz> David Barth
[09:40:31] <mdz> David Mandala
[09:40:32] <mdz> Joshua Hoover
[09:40:34] <mdz> Kate Stewart
[09:40:36] <mdz> Mark Shuttleworth
[09:40:38] <mdz> Pete Graner
[09:40:40] <mdz> Robbie Williamson
[09:40:42] <mdz> Sebastien Bacher
[09:40:44] <mdz> Steve Langasek
[09:40:46] <mdz> Ubuntu Technical Board
[09:40:48] <mdz> UDS Organizers
[09:40:51] <mdz> the only one which looks out of place to me is the QA team
[09:41:15] <mdz> removing the QA team will have the side effect that they will no longer be able to change the bug reporting guidelines for Ubuntu as a whole
[09:41:21] <mdz> (though they will continue to be able to update package-specific guidelines)
[09:41:25] <kees> mdz: I don't have permissions to change that calendar. "You can: See all event details"
[09:41:30] <mdz> the bug for that is apparently https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/703002
[09:41:32] <ubottu> Ubuntu bug 703002 in Launchpad itself "distributions have no +configure-bugtracker link" [Low,Triaged]
[09:41:51] <mdz> kees, fixed
[09:42:25] <mdz> the last time I asked bdmurray, he said it would probably be best if we didn't do it until that is fixed
[09:42:51] <mdz> some of the memberships are redundant and could be cleaned up, e.g. Colin and Mark are in TB
[09:43:05] <pitti> mdz: "didn't do" -> "keep CQA team"? I agree
[09:43:11] <mdz> pitti, right
[09:43:21] <pitti> mdz: I'd rather keep them in explicitly
[09:43:43] <pitti> in case Colin ever loses his TB hat, he'd still be an ubuntu-driver due to him being a tech lead
[09:43:48] <cjwatson> I also generally feel that it should be explicit that some people have those privileges in their own right
[09:44:15] <cjwatson> (why doesn't pitti have that hat, incidentally?)
[09:44:22] <pitti> I'm in uds-organizers, I think
[09:44:28] <cjwatson> ah
[09:44:44] <pitti> as I prepared the karmic and lucid UDS desktop bits
[09:45:07] <mdz> most engineering managers are members via uds-organizers as well
[09:45:19] <mdz> anyway I think this action is as done as it can be
[09:45:45] <pitti> I think so, too; it looks reasonable enough to me, modulo some minor inconsistency/redundancy
[09:46:04] <mdz> cjwatson, given we already made the other changes and nobody has complained of breakage, I think we can skip the announcement
[09:46:23] <cjwatson> ok
[09:46:29] <cjwatson> well, skaet had one complaint
[09:46:42] <cjwatson> she can't edit milestones in stable releases (any more?)
[09:46:49] <cjwatson> but this is blocked on getting that LP bug fixed
[09:47:03] <kees> (cjwatson: I've updated the calendar entry now, so that can be marked as "done")
[09:47:06] <mdz> cjwatson, which releases?
[09:47:31] <mdz> can't we just make sure the release manager is set appropriately for those series?
[09:47:53] <cjwatson> lucid. no, because that would remove the ability of ubuntu-core-dev to target bugs to that release, until such time as that LP bug is fixed.
[09:47:56] <cjwatson> kees: thanks
[09:48:22] <mdz> cjwatson, which LP bug?
[09:48:42] <cjwatson> I don't have it to hand; it should be in the records of our discussion in Dallas
[09:48:45] <bdmurray> actually the problem with removing the CQA team from ubuntu-drivers is that we wouldn't be able to approve bug nominations for releases
[09:48:59] <cjwatson> so that's the same bug
[09:49:06] <cjwatson> we identified it in Dallas and raised it through Jono Lange
[09:49:09] <pitti> bug 451390 I think
[09:49:11] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 451390 in Launchpad itself "limited upload rights no longer give series nomination accept/decline rights" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/451390
[09:49:14] <cjwatson> thanks, that's the one
[09:49:27] <pitti> mdz: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaunchpadPermissions has the summary, FYI
[09:49:56] <mdz> pitti, yeah, i was just looking at that
[09:50:14] <mdz> series RM = ubuntu-core-dev doesn't sound right, since that excludes skaet
[09:50:29] <cjwatson> mdz: it's a workaround for bug 451390
[09:50:30] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 451390 in Launchpad itself "limited upload rights no longer give series nomination accept/decline rights" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/451390
[09:50:32] <cjwatson> essentially
[09:50:50] <cjwatson> that series RM setting dates back a long way, and was to ensure that core-dev could target bugs
[09:50:59] <pitti> mdz: that's what "what we would like to do" changes
[09:51:02] <pitti> mdz: indeed it's not right
[09:51:05] <mdz> pitti, can you reference 451390 in 174375?
[09:51:09] <cjwatson> once core-dev can target bugs via their upload privileges, we will no longer need that workaround
[09:51:13] <cjwatson> until then, we need it
[09:51:15] <mdz> pitti, oh right
[09:51:33] <mdz> so 174375 just needs a comment to that effect and then we are back to wait mode
[09:51:35] <pitti> mdz: will do
[09:51:38] <cjwatson> 451390 is not the CQA problem, although it's sort of similar
[09:51:44] <mdz> pitti, thanks much
[09:51:58] <cjwatson> bdmurray: is there a bug for giving CQA that access without requiring them to be in ubuntu-drivers?
[09:52:35] <mdz> cjwatson, I understood bug 703002 to be that bug, though it is not at all obvious by looking at it
[09:52:36] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 703002 in Launchpad itself "distributions have no +configure-bugtracker link" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/703002
[09:52:49] <mdz> this is based on the logs from the last meeting where bdmurray pointed to that bug
[09:53:03] <bdmurray> cjwatson: no, my thought has been that there would be a release-manager team set as the release-manager and CQA would be part of that team
[09:53:21] <mdz> 08-02-2011 15:51:46 < bdmurray!~bdmurray@vinyl.outflux.net: its bug 703002
[09:53:21] <mdz> 08-02-2011 15:51:47 < kees!~kees@ubuntu/member/keescook: bdmurray: ah, excellent. that was my memory too; do you have the bug # handy?
[09:53:37] <pitti> mdz: (done)
[09:53:38] <bdmurray> mdz: that bug 703002 is something that can't happen now that the owner of Ubuntu was set to the tech board
[09:53:39] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 703002 in Launchpad itself "distributions have no +configure-bugtracker link" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/703002
[09:53:52] <mdz> bdmurray, gah, so I've confused things further in the bug
[09:54:29] <cjwatson> ok, we could add CQA to ubuntu-release, I expect
[09:54:42] <cjwatson> once 451390 is fixed so that we can actually use ubuntu-release in that slot
[09:54:51] <cjwatson> so that means that 451390 really is the blocker for everything
[09:55:30] <bdmurray> I agree - 703002 is just rather inconvenient
[09:56:21] <mdz> ok, someone who understands what's going on please update the bug. I am obviously hopeless
[09:58:14] <cjwatson> done
[09:58:24] <cjwatson> let's move on
[09:58:31] <cjwatson> Action: pitti to update g-s-t for new ntp pool
[09:58:53] <pitti> done
[09:58:56] <pitti> jdstrand's part as well
[09:59:12] <pitti> the Narwhal has a better watch now
[09:59:19] <kees> heh
[09:59:24] <cjwatson> gotta have a funny-shaped watch
[09:59:37] <cjwatson> [TOPIC] Scan the mailing list archive for anything we missed (standing item)
[09:59:43] <cjwatson> I looked, didn't see anything we haven't already covered
[09:59:50] <cjwatson> [TOPIC] Check up on community bugs (standing item)
[09:59:58] <cjwatson> only the two we've covered
[10:00:00] <cjwatson> [TOPIC] AOB
[10:00:02] * mdz starts dialing into his next meeting
[10:00:36] <cjwatson> I've applied the DMB changes to LP now
[10:00:41] <cjwatson> https://launchpad.net/~developer-membership-board/+members
[10:00:56] * cjwatson is freeeeeeeee
[10:01:01] <kees> haha
[10:01:17] <SpamapS> o/
[10:01:27] <cjwatson> next chair?
[10:01:41] <kees> cjwatson: keybuk?
[10:01:49] <cjwatson> either me (if this one didn't count), or kees by nick rotation, or Keybuk by frequency
[10:02:00] <cjwatson> perhaps Keybuk with the new meeting time
[10:02:11] <pitti> the last ones rotated between kees, cjwatson, and me, so I'll be fallback if Keybuk can't
[10:02:20] <cjwatson> let's ask Keybuk in the minutes
[10:02:31] <kees> sounds good
[10:02:33] <cjwatson> #endmeeting
Meeting ended.