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[05:19:05] &lt;elky&gt; jussi, 4 is a quorum<br />
[05:19:07] &lt;Vantrax&gt; Sadly more<br />
[05:19:10] &lt;jussi&gt; k<br />
[05:19:17] &lt;ronoc&gt; good morning all<br />
[05:19:31] &lt;diwic&gt; [TOPIC] Anything in particular we want to discuss?<br />
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[05:20:02] &lt;diwic&gt; [TOPIC] PulseAudio 0.9.22<br />
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[05:20:08] &lt;TheMuso&gt; Yes, the seemingly former pulse debian maintainer has put out a call for people to join pkg-pulse and help.<br />
[05:20:18] &lt;udienz&gt; Asia - Oceania RMB is ended?<br />
[05:20:21] * TheMuso has submitted a request to join.<br />
[05:20:42] &lt;ronoc&gt; TheMuso, what kind of help ?<br />
[05:20:48] &lt;awolfson&gt; hi<br />
[05:20:48] &lt;TheMuso&gt; ronoc: Packaging.<br />
[05:20:54] &lt;ronoc&gt; grand<br />
[05:21:21] &lt;ronoc&gt; TheMuso, I was hoping to get around to doing a pulse module before xmas<br />
[05:21:31] &lt;ronoc&gt; which fades volumes on mute action<br />
[05:21:32] &lt;TheMuso&gt; ronoc: Cool.<br />
[05:21:47] &lt;diwic&gt; TheMuso, so will PulseAudio-stable-queue be maintained in Debian and flow down to Ubuntu?<br />
[05:21:49] &lt;TheMuso&gt; Does that not need volume ramping?<br />
[05:21:56] &lt;ronoc&gt; i have some gdbus port work before then but next week is looking likely<br />
[05:21:59] &lt;TheMuso&gt; diwic: Long term, yes that would be good.<br />
[05:22:27] &lt;TheMuso&gt; It all depends on how often I can get sponsorship for Debian.<br />
[05:22:54] &lt;ronoc&gt; TheMuso, i don't know, I would like to circumvent the click which happens now when mute is triggered<br />
[05:22:55] &lt;diwic&gt; TheMuso, hmm, perhaps applying for DM isn't that hard<br />
[05:23:19] &lt;TheMuso&gt; diwic: Probably not, but I'd need some work under my belt in Debian first though.<br />
[05:24:43] &lt;diwic&gt; TheMuso, but this maintainership in Debian, is it something you feel you'll handle yourself or are you looking for help from one of us?<br />
[05:24:46] &lt;rodrigo_&gt; about pa-0.9.22, I pushed TheMuso's package to a PPA for maverick, and diwic and I discussed about probably having an official PPA, so should we have that PPA?<br />
[05:25:18] &lt;TheMuso&gt; diwic: I'll likely handle it myself, but help is always welcome.<br />
[05:25:23] &lt;rodrigo_&gt; the temp PPA is https://launchpad.net/~rodrigo-moya/+archive/ppa<br />
[05:25:34] &lt;TheMuso&gt; rodrigo_: The ubuntu-audio-dev PPAs are as official as it gets. :)<br />
[05:25:41] &lt;TheMuso&gt; You should have upload access.<br />
[05:25:48] &lt;rodrigo_&gt; oh, didn't know about it<br />
[05:25:50] &lt;TheMuso&gt; There is a PPA for maverick and lucid.<br />
[05:26:14] &lt;diwic&gt; TheMuso, right, so we should push 0.9.22 to the standard u-a-d ppa<br />
[05:26:15] &lt;rodrigo_&gt; oh, cool, will upload it latert then<br />
[05:26:28] &lt;ronoc&gt; i must down grade actually, I still have the trunk ppa from just after orlando<br />
[05:26:28] &lt;TheMuso&gt; diwic: Yeah, sounds like rodrigo_ will take care of it.<br />
[05:26:50] &lt;TheMuso&gt; ronoc: Yeah we need to set up daily builds of git master at some point.<br />
[05:26:53] &lt;diwic&gt; TheMuso, sounds good<br />
[05:27:07] &lt;ronoc&gt; TheMuso, was not the decision taken to stick with stable queue<br />
[05:27:10] &lt;ronoc&gt; ?<br />
[05:27:18] &lt;rodrigo_&gt; yes, uploading as we speak<br />
[05:27:29] &lt;TheMuso&gt; ronoc: Yes, but daily builds of git master are still useful for testing.<br />
[05:27:43] &lt;diwic&gt; ronoc, about the click, that can be more difficult than it looks like; sometimes its unavoidable as there are external amplifiers turning on and off<br />
[05:27:52] &lt;ronoc&gt; TheMuso, sure<br />
[05:28:44] &lt;diwic&gt; ronoc, but there was an interesting patch which I think is in master about reducing volume very quickly to avoid loudness bumps for automatic gain control<br />
[05:28:52] &lt;ronoc&gt; diwic, I know but some investigation would be a useful exercise at least so the next time somebody rocks up a uds and goes on about the click I will have a story to tell :)<br />
[05:29:03] &lt;ronoc&gt; diwic, cool, can you point me towards it ?<br />
[05:29:23] &lt;diwic&gt; ronoc, sure, remind me after the meeting and I'll try to look it up<br />
[05:29:28] &lt;ronoc&gt; will do<br />
[05:30:02] &lt;diwic&gt; [TOPIC] module-jackdbus-detect<br />
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[05:30:12] * diwic has written a PA module :-)<br />
[05:30:17] &lt;ronoc&gt; excellent<br />
[05:30:38] &lt;rodrigo_&gt; cool<br />
[05:30:39] &lt;TheMuso&gt; And its in stable queue.<br />
[05:30:40] &lt;diwic&gt; It detects when jackdbus is running and starts jack sink and jack source<br />
[05:30:44] &lt;TheMuso&gt; Well the first patch is.<br />
[05:31:14] &lt;ronoc&gt; diwic, on launchpad ?<br />
[05:31:28] &lt;diwic&gt; TheMuso, I went with the modifying-Makefile.in approach<br />
[05:31:35] &lt;TheMuso&gt; diwic: cool.<br />
[05:31:40] &lt;diwic&gt; TheMuso, painful but it worked<br />
[05:32:16] &lt;diwic&gt; ronoc, Pulseaudio in my ppa has the module enabled<br />
[05:32:40] &lt;diwic&gt; the open question is the second patch, if we want to enable it by default or not<br />
[05:33:05] &lt;ronoc&gt; okay so exactly this allows pulse to sit on top of jack ?<br />
[05:33:24] &lt;TheMuso&gt; diwic: Exposing through paprefs does sound useful though.<br />
[05:33:27] &lt;diwic&gt; and if so, if we want to just present the source/sink or autoconnect it to jack soundcard ports<br />
[05:33:45] &lt;diwic&gt; ronoc, that's already possible, but this automates the possibility<br />
[05:34:08] &lt;ronoc&gt; diwic, okay, how is the performance ?<br />
[05:34:42] &lt;diwic&gt; TheMuso, so you're for the paprefs approach, other opinions?<br />
[05:35:07] &lt;diwic&gt; ronoc, hmm, good enough I assume?<br />
[05:35:56] &lt;ronoc&gt; diwic, TheMuso , paprefs sounds good, I would need to play with it to see how it may be used<br />
[05:36:37] &lt;diwic&gt; ronoc, so in my version it starts on PA startup<br />
[05:36:38] &lt;rodrigo_&gt; paprefs is not installed by default, btw<br />
[05:36:52] &lt;ronoc&gt; good point<br />
[05:37:07] &lt;rodrigo_&gt; so, what are you exposing in paprefs, sorry?<br />
[05:37:19] &lt;diwic&gt; rodrigo_, a checkbox whether to enable the module or not<br />
[05:37:39] &lt;rodrigo_&gt; hmm, ok<br />
[05:37:55] &lt;rodrigo_&gt; doesn't sound to user-friendly to have it in gnome-volume-control I guess<br />
[05:38:30] &lt;diwic&gt; rodrigo_, naah, it's not that mainstream IMO<br />
[05:38:57] &lt;diwic&gt; anyway, since this only works with the dbus-enabled version of jack, it might make sense to switch to that version by default in Natty, do you agree?<br />
[05:39:10] &lt;ronoc&gt; yup<br />
[05:39:12] &lt;rodrigo_&gt; +1<br />
[05:39:19] &lt;TheMuso&gt; Jackd2 s already the default.<br />
[05:39:53] &lt;diwic&gt; Anybody wanna look into qjackctl enabling the dbus mode by default as well?<br />
[05:40:37] &lt;diwic&gt; Are there more common jack control apps we should have a look at?<br />
[05:40:43] &lt;TheMuso&gt; That shouldn't be hard, just a patch to the qjackctl source.<br />
[05:41:01] &lt;ronoc&gt; I could try next week perhaps, depending on work load, playlists may land in banshee and if so I need to do my side of things<br />
[05:41:17] &lt;diwic&gt; I can look into it myself if you like<br />
[05:41:43] &lt;ronoc&gt; if you have time that would be great<br />
[05:42:05] &lt;diwic&gt; we should also merge the jackdbus patch<br />
[05:42:46] &lt;TheMuso&gt; Yeah I will update to latest stable queue tomorrow I think./<br />
[05:42:46] &lt;diwic&gt; I was also thinking of announcing it on ubuntu-studio ML, perhaps to ask for opinions there as well<br />
[05:43:31] &lt;diwic&gt; TheMuso, sounds good<br />
[05:43:56] &lt;ronoc&gt; diwic, good idea<br />
[05:44:11] &lt;diwic&gt; [ACTION] diwic to look into qjackctl -> enable dbus by default<br />
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[05:44:28] &lt;diwic&gt; [ACTION] TheMuso to package latest stable-queue in Natty<br />
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[05:44:47] &lt;ronoc&gt; are people on natty already ?<br />
[05:44:51] &lt;diwic&gt; no<br />
[05:44:54] &lt;rodrigo_&gt; I am<br />
[05:44:58] &lt;ronoc&gt; stable ?<br />
[05:45:03] &lt;TheMuso&gt; Yes.<br />
[05:45:04] &lt;TheMuso&gt; natty here<br />
[05:45:06] &lt;rodrigo_&gt; well, not fully up-to-date, just update the packages I need<br />
[05:45:10] &lt;rodrigo_&gt; but yes, quite stable<br />
[05:45:20] &lt;ronoc&gt; how has banshee been behaving ?<br />
[05:45:35] &lt;rodrigo_&gt; ronoc, playing music with it right now :)<br />
[05:45:44] &lt;rodrigo_&gt; ronoc, no problems so far<br />
[05:45:53] &lt;rodrigo_&gt; not sure I have the very latest though, let me check<br />
[05:45:53] &lt;ronoc&gt; i have noticed some funnies on maverick but this could be to do with my git master pa<br />
[05:46:11] &lt;rodrigo_&gt; yes, up to date<br />
[05:46:15] &lt;ronoc&gt; stream stopping mid stream and then resuming a few seconds later<br />
[05:46:29] &lt;ronoc&gt; could be a number of things though<br />
[05:46:54] &lt;rodrigo_&gt; hmm, now that I remember, I sometimes get, as in maverick, the crippling sound<br />
[05:47:09] &lt;ronoc&gt; crippling sound ?<br />
[05:47:18] &lt;rodrigo_&gt; that is, playing something, then it starts crippling, and then you stop playback for a while, and resume and it works<br />
[05:47:25] &lt;rodrigo_&gt; it also happens on totem though<br />
[05:47:29] * diwic notices yet another name for how sound can be broken.<br />
[05:47:31] &lt;rodrigo_&gt; so seems a gstreamer/pa issue<br />
[05:47:43] &lt;rodrigo_&gt; well, not sure if that's the correct word :)<br />
[05:48:18] &lt;ronoc&gt; rodrigo_, ah okay understood,  there are few gremlins between gstreamer and pa<br />
[05:48:35] &lt;ronoc&gt; pa_stream_size_write_failed etc<br />
[05:48:43] &lt;rodrigo_&gt; ok<br />
[05:48:59] &lt;diwic&gt; ...which brings us to the next topic<br />
[05:49:13] &lt;ronoc&gt; bugs ?<br />
[05:49:14] &lt;diwic&gt; [TOPIC] Any bugs to look out for and allocate resources for solving<br />
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[05:49:35] &lt;diwic&gt; Just to inform, I've started looking into fighting rewinds<br />
[05:49:48] &lt;TheMuso&gt; Haven't really ben paying attention with bugs recently.<br />
[05:50:12] &lt;ronoc&gt; I haven't noticed anything startling, and have been focusing on dev as opposed to bug hunting<br />
[05:50:14] &lt;diwic&gt; Seems like abnormal number of rewinds is one of the most common reasons sounds is stuttering in PA or PA crashes<br />
[05:50:50] &lt;ronoc&gt; diwic, right so this related to that dvd playback bug ?<br />
[05:51:01] &lt;ronoc&gt; that one totem often gets blamed for<br />
[05:51:02] &lt;rodrigo_&gt; diwic, yes, seems so<br />
[05:51:12] &lt;diwic&gt; Unfortunately this problem is quite complex<br />
[05:51:18] &lt;ronoc&gt; i would imagine<br />
[05:51:47] &lt;diwic&gt; Both gstreamer and PA are doing things in an inoptimal ways, and sometimes it "tips over"<br />
[05:52:15] &lt;diwic&gt; and less CPU power means more likely to "tip over"<br />
[05:52:20] &lt;diwic&gt; i e trigger the bug<br />
[05:52:55] &lt;diwic&gt; ronoc, I'm not really familiar with any one-and-only dvd playback bug, perhaps you can point me to it<br />
[05:54:11] &lt;TheMuso&gt; I gotta bail shortly guys, gotta get to bed.<br />
[05:54:21] &lt;diwic&gt; TheMuso, ok, we'll speed up a little<br />
[05:54:40] &lt;diwic&gt; [TOPIC] Anything in particular we've been working on the previous week<br />
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[05:54:57] &lt;ronoc&gt; gdbus port of the mpris backend for the sound service<br />
[05:55:22] &lt;ronoc&gt; removal of libindicate from the registration process for media players who wish to be used in the menu<br />
[05:55:33] &lt;ronoc&gt; branch merged<br />
[05:55:57] &lt;diwic&gt; I've been writing module-jackdbus-detect, and started looking into the rewind stuff. Other than that, it's been quite a lot of hwe (hardware enablement) activities.<br />
[05:56:52] &lt;diwic&gt; Actually I've started writing some on the audio apport symptom too<br />
[05:57:04] &lt;rodrigo_&gt; I've started packaging ossproxy, as discussed in last meeting, no luck so far, the official tarball doesn't even compile, I think because it needs a newer libfuse, but not sure yet, I have been off for national holidays since Thursday, so will be back to it later<br />
[05:57:08] &lt;diwic&gt; But it's far from complete<br />
[05:57:47] &lt;TheMuso&gt; rodrigo_: Interesting. If I get some time, I'll take a look myself.<br />
[05:57:48] &lt;rodrigo_&gt; also, I started looking at diwic's apport stuff, and looking at docs for how to show an image on the dialog<br />
[05:58:06] &lt;rodrigo_&gt; TheMuso, I'll push my packaging branch later on, so that you cna pick up from there, ok?<br />
[05:58:28] &lt;ronoc&gt; diwic, rodrigo_ , is it not just a gconf setting<br />
[05:58:39] &lt;TheMuso&gt; rodrigo_: Sounds good.<br />
[05:58:39] &lt;ronoc&gt; a button on the UI "report problem"<br />
[05:58:40] &lt;rodrigo_&gt; ronoc, oh, is it?<br />
[05:58:57] &lt;ronoc&gt; just trying to remember what we said at uds<br />
[05:59:00] &lt;diwic&gt; ronoc, what is a gconf setting?<br />
[05:59:41] &lt;ronoc&gt; diwic, an easy way to expose an option on the UI<br />
[05:59:58] &lt;rodrigo_&gt; <rodrigo_> pitti, is there any way to show an image in apport dialogs, from a symptom module?<br />
[05:59:58] &lt;rodrigo_&gt; <pitti> rodrigo_: not right now, I'm afraid<br />
[06:00:32] &lt;ronoc&gt; diwic, rodrigo_ I can find out for next week<br />
[06:00:34] &lt;diwic&gt; rodrigo_, it's just a nice to have; so maybe we don't need to make that a priority at the moment<br />
[06:00:38] &lt;ronoc&gt; i will take this action<br />
[06:00:57] &lt;rodrigo_&gt; ronoc, the image in apport action, you mean?<br />
[06:01:03] &lt;rodrigo_&gt; diwic, yes, sure<br />
[06:01:25] &lt;TheMuso&gt; Ok anything else?<br />
[06:01:44] &lt;ronoc&gt; rodrigo_, the updating of the g-v-c so as a button is on the dialog saying 'report problem'<br />
[06:01:56] &lt;ronoc&gt; which then brings you to the apport symptoms dialgo<br />
[06:01:59] &lt;ronoc&gt; og<br />
[06:02:00] &lt;rodrigo_&gt; ronoc, ah, ok<br />
[06:02:06] &lt;ronoc&gt; sorry getting mixed up<br />
[06:02:08] &lt;diwic&gt; [TOPIC] Anything in particular we plan to do the coming week<br />
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[06:02:11] &lt;rodrigo_&gt; np :)<br />
[06:02:29] &lt;diwic&gt; [ACTION] ronoc to look into g-v-c to add button to trigger audio apport symptom<br />
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[06:02:52] &lt;ronoc&gt; finish off this gdbus port, if playlists land, work on my side of the playlists mpris carry on, and ^<br />
[06:03:14] &lt;TheMuso&gt; Update pulse in natty to latest stable queue.<br />
[06:03:23] &lt;diwic&gt; I'll like have a lot of hwe activity but if time permits, continue on rewind and audio apport symtpom<br />
[06:03:26] &lt;TheMuso&gt; Try and make time to look at ossproxy.<br />
[06:03:32] &lt;awolfson&gt; diwic, I hope to have free cycles after New Year to get involved in apport<br />
[06:03:37] &lt;rodrigo_&gt; finish ossproxy packaging, get pitti to let me know what would be needed in apport for showing the image<br />
[06:03:46] &lt;diwic&gt; awolfson, sounds good<br />
[06:04:20] &lt;diwic&gt; ok, anything else?<br />
[06:04:26] &lt;TheMuso&gt; not from me<br />
[06:04:30] &lt;ronoc&gt; not from me<br />
[06:04:30] &lt;diwic&gt; oh, next meeting<br />
[06:04:58] &lt;diwic&gt; My calendar applet is a little strange but it looks like two-weeks-from-now, this time, is busy<br />
[06:05:02] * TheMuso will not be here on the 21st, I have leave that I am taking from the 16th.<br />
[06:05:45] * awolfson hopes he will in Carribean on vacation<br />
[06:06:00] &lt;awolfson&gt; 19-26<br />
[06:06:17] &lt;ronoc&gt; sounds nice<br />
[06:06:21] &lt;TheMuso&gt; So you guys feel free to go ahead and make a time.<br />
[06:06:29] &lt;ronoc&gt; beats ireland in December<br />
[06:06:45] &lt;ronoc&gt; next week, same time is good for me<br />
[06:06:53] &lt;TheMuso&gt; yeah I can do this time next week.<br />
[06:07:13] &lt;ronoc&gt; TheMuso, do you want it earlier ?<br />
[06:07:22] &lt;TheMuso&gt; ronoc: no its fine.<br />
[06:07:27] &lt;ronoc&gt; grand<br />
[06:07:47] &lt;diwic&gt; ping<br />
[06:07:56] &lt;TheMuso&gt; pong<br />
[06:08:12] &lt;TheMuso&gt; anyway guys, gotta run.<br />
[06:08:18] &lt;ronoc&gt; grand talk later luke<br />
[06:08:23] &lt;rodrigo_&gt; I'm off next week<br />
[06:08:43] &lt;diwic&gt; ping?<br />
[06:08:49] &lt;TheMuso&gt; well perhaps this is the last meeting for the year, and we have one first week back in January, i.e  the 3rd.<br />
[06:09:02] &lt;TheMuso&gt; diwic: connection troubles?<br />
[06:09:09] &lt;awolfson&gt; diwic, So when is the next meeting? You will post on the list?<br />
[06:09:12] &lt;TheMuso&gt; sorry, the 4th<br />
[06:09:19] &lt;ronoc&gt; yup 4th<br />
[06:09:47] &lt;diwic&gt; TheMuso, yes<br />
[06:10:05] &lt;diwic&gt; 4th january works for me<br />
[06:10:13] &lt;TheMuso&gt; Sounds good.<br />
[06:10:16] &lt;TheMuso&gt; Ok really off now.<br />
[06:10:35] &lt;ronoc&gt; 4th it is, meeting done ?<br />
[06:10:39] &lt;diwic&gt; ok<br />
[06:10:42] &lt;diwic&gt; #endmeeting<br />
Meeting ended.<br />