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[05:12:14] &lt;diwic&gt; First; anybody want a topic to add, something we should discuss?<br />
[05:12:27] &lt;TheMuso&gt; So I assume we don't have an agenda...<br />
[05:13:03] &lt;diwic&gt; [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Audio/MeetingAgenda<br />
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[05:13:58] &lt;diwic&gt; [TOPIC] Anything in particular we want to discuss<br />
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[05:14:50] &lt;diwic&gt; So; a few days ago I found bug #579300, about OSS emulation removal and a few angry users having their features removed.<br />
[05:14:52] &lt;ubottu&gt; Launchpad bug 579300 in linux (Ubuntu) "Please disable CONFIG_SOUND_OSS* and CONFIG_SND_*OSS*" [Wishlist,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/579300<br />
[05:15:17] &lt;diwic&gt; I still think it's the right thing to do but I would like some arguments :-)<br />
[05:16:04] &lt;diwic&gt; TheMuso, do you know more than I do?<br />
[05:16:11] &lt;TheMuso&gt; no<br />
[05:16:44] &lt;diwic&gt; ok; so basically, this was Daniel's decision and we trust him?<br />
[05:17:18] &lt;TheMuso&gt; We both made the decision, as Fedora and other distros have disabled it as well. We meant to get ossproxy packaged for maverick, but that didn't happen.<br />
[05:17:53] &lt;rodrigo_&gt; so, this is to make oss apps use pulseaudio?<br />
[05:18:01] &lt;TheMuso&gt; Yes<br />
[05:18:11] &lt;rodrigo_&gt; then yes, +1 :-)<br />
[05:19:03] &lt;diwic&gt; TheMuso, so let's add an action item to package ossproxy for Natty, if we think that'll help<br />
[05:19:12] &lt;diwic&gt; Any volunteers?<br />
[05:19:13] &lt;TheMuso&gt; It will help.<br />
[05:19:30] &lt;TheMuso&gt; If its trivial, I could probably get it packaged when I have a few spare cycles.<br />
[05:19:42] &lt;TheMuso&gt; But if someone wants experience in packaging, them feel free to take it, and I am happy to review it.<br />
[05:19:47] &lt;rodrigo_&gt; same here, if it's too complicated, I might need help<br />
[05:20:05] &lt;rodrigo_&gt; TheMuso, ok, I'll take it, and ask you for help if I can't, ok?<br />
[05:20:11] &lt;TheMuso&gt; Sounds good.<br />
[05:20:40] &lt;diwic&gt; [AGREED] rodrigo_ to package ossproxy for Natty (with assistance from TheMuso if necessary)<br />
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[05:21:12] &lt;diwic&gt; Or was that "Action"? Who knows :-)<br />
[05:21:23] &lt;TheMuso&gt; I think action is what you want.<br />
[05:21:30] &lt;diwic&gt; [ACTION] rodrigo_ to package ossproxy for Natty (with assistance from TheMuso if necessary)<br />
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[05:22:39] &lt;diwic&gt; Ok, anything else?<br />
[05:23:02] &lt;diwic&gt; Let's move on<br />
[05:23:16] &lt;diwic&gt; [TOPIC] Any bugs we should look into in particular?<br />
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[05:23:33] &lt;diwic&gt; What's pestering you the most currently?<br />
[05:24:12] &lt;rodrigo_&gt; not much, audio working quite good, even on natty :)<br />
[05:24:26] &lt;diwic&gt; fantastic :-)<br />
[05:24:59] &lt;diwic&gt; I'm currently trying to make upstream ALSA understand the need for consistent volume control naming<br />
[05:25:14] &lt;rodrigo_&gt; there's still the GTK3 bugs for indicator, bit the desktop team has plans to coordinate that with unity<br />
[05:25:24] &lt;rodrigo_&gt; so, no pestering there<br />
[05:26:17] &lt;diwic&gt; The "Front" volume control or switch sometimes control front line-out only, and sometimes headphones and/or internal speakers as well<br />
[05:26:43] &lt;rodrigo_&gt; nice :)<br />
[05:26:45] &lt;diwic&gt; Front as in the channel (i e not C/LFE/surround), not as in location<br />
[05:27:13] &lt;diwic&gt; with the result that we can't code PulseAudio in a way that'll work everywhere<br />
[05:27:53] &lt;diwic&gt; I discovered that we have a PA patch that adds "Master Front", and we let that mean something controlling HP and Speakers as well, and let "Front" control the line-out only<br />
[05:28:45] &lt;diwic&gt; But upstream doesn't like the "Master Front" and want to change the other name instead<br />
[05:30:10] &lt;diwic&gt; *sigh*<br />
[05:30:24] &lt;diwic&gt; so now that I've finished moaning, let's move on<br />
[05:30:42] &lt;rodrigo_&gt; :)<br />
[05:30:46] &lt;diwic&gt;  [TOPIC] Anything in particular we've been working on the previous week<br />
[05:30:54] &lt;diwic&gt; [TOPIC] Anything in particular we've been working on the previous week<br />
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[05:31:17] &lt;diwic&gt; Well, I've actually started a little on the audio apport symptom<br />
[05:32:04] &lt;diwic&gt; I wrote a "Jack" parser from the codec file, see http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/535499/<br />
[05:32:22] &lt;diwic&gt; Do you think it looks good?<br />
[05:32:24] &lt;TheMuso&gt; Cool.<br />
[05:33:23] &lt;rodrigo_&gt; looks ok, but too complex for basic users, I think<br />
[05:34:22] &lt;rodrigo_&gt; but looks ok for someone really knowing what is it<br />
[05:34:35] &lt;diwic&gt; rodrigo_, hmm? It was based on the suggestion on the UDS session that normal users want to relate to the Jacks rather than the card name<br />
[05:34:48] &lt;rodrigo_&gt; ah, ok<br />
[05:34:49] &lt;TheMuso&gt; Since I am on rotatino, I just did a little reading of bug mail, and merged packages from Debian, mainly jack stuff.<br />
[05:35:15] &lt;diwic&gt; rodrigo_, but I'm open for suggestions<br />
[05:35:27] &lt;diwic&gt; TheMuso, so anything interesting coming in from Debian at this point?<br />
[05:35:35] &lt;rodrigo_&gt; on my part, since we now have libcanberra-gtk3 in natty, started working on packaging stuff that use it, like gnome-media<br />
[05:35:49] &lt;rodrigo_&gt; diwic, not sure what to suggest, so I'll shut up for now :-)<br />
[05:36:07] &lt;diwic&gt; rodrigo_, ok, let me know if you have improvement ideas<br />
[05:36:14] &lt;rodrigo_&gt; yes, I will<br />
[05:36:37] &lt;TheMuso&gt; not that I know of.<br />
[05:36:43] &lt;TheMuso&gt; nothing jack wise anyway.<br />
[05:36:47] &lt;rodrigo_&gt; although I guess we could accompany that in the UI with a nice picture of the jacks<br />
[05:36:54] &lt;rodrigo_&gt; that should make it user-friendly<br />
[05:37:03] &lt;rodrigo_&gt; can we do that in the apport stuff?<br />
[05:37:08] &lt;TheMuso&gt; Oh rtkit is now synced with Debian, so rtkit is not maintained in pkg-multimedia repos in debian.<br />
[05:37:10] &lt;rodrigo_&gt; that is, add an image to the dialog?<br />
[05:37:20] &lt;TheMuso&gt; s/not/now/<br />
[05:37:36] &lt;diwic&gt; TheMuso, do you have upload rights for those things in Debian?<br />
[05:37:42] &lt;TheMuso&gt; No.<br />
[05:38:19] &lt;TheMuso&gt; But I have git commit access, so if we need something urgently, I can always temporarily create an Ubuntu branch, make an Ubuntu package, and merge the changes into debian's branch, and an upload to debian will straighten things out.<br />
[05:39:08] &lt;diwic&gt; rodrigo_, it's going to be hard for the cli version ;-)<br />
[05:39:32] &lt;rodrigo_&gt; diwic, well, average users would probably always use the GUI version, right?<br />
[05:39:45] &lt;persia&gt; There's a fair few folk active in Ubuntu with upload access for pkg-multimedia stuff, so it's not typically hard to get an upload there.<br />
[05:40:31] &lt;diwic&gt; rodrigo_, but for gtk, it should be possible, I think that'll require a little more knowledge in apport than I currently have<br />
[05:40:42] &lt;rodrigo_&gt; diwic, ok, I'll have a look<br />
[05:40:55] &lt;diwic&gt; rodrigo_, are you familiar with apport/python?<br />
[05:41:12] &lt;rodrigo_&gt; not much with apport, but a little bit, so will look at it<br />
[05:42:13] &lt;diwic&gt; ok<br />
[05:43:22] &lt;diwic&gt; rodrigo_, lets chat a little about that after the meeting if you like<br />
[05:43:29] &lt;rodrigo_&gt; ok<br />
[05:44:21] &lt;diwic&gt; Other than that, I've been quite busy with HWE work these weeks, so there hasn't been that much time to do other things<br />
[05:44:41] &lt;rodrigo_&gt; HWE?<br />
[05:45:00] &lt;diwic&gt; HWE = HardWare Enablement, i e what I'm hired for :-)<br />
[05:45:05] &lt;rodrigo_&gt; ah, ok :)<br />
[05:45:35] &lt;diwic&gt; Anything else?<br />
[05:46:00] &lt;diwic&gt; let's move on<br />
[05:46:06] &lt;diwic&gt; [TOPIC] Anything in particular we plan to do the coming week?<br />
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[05:46:53] &lt;rodrigo_&gt; for me, packaging ossproxy and look at the apport stuff, apart from packaging more stuff that uses the libcanberra-gtk3 thing<br />
[05:47:44] &lt;diwic&gt; I'll hope I have some time to continue on the apport symptom, perhaps also start on some of the pro-audio-secured stuff.<br />
[05:47:54] &lt;TheMuso&gt; Me, nothing on the audio front, unless I am prodded by someone to review/upload audio related packages. :)<br />
[05:48:45] &lt;diwic&gt; As for these meetings, I think every 14 days will suffice, rather than once a week, or what do you think?<br />
[05:49:08] &lt;TheMuso&gt; Seconded.<br />
[05:49:41] &lt;diwic&gt; Btw, do any of you have gmail accounts?<br />
[05:50:02] &lt;TheMuso&gt; No, but I do have a canonical calendar hosted on Google.<br />
[05:50:08] &lt;TheMuso&gt; i.e a canonical.com google calendar.<br />
[05:51:14] &lt;diwic&gt; TheMuso, the same goes for me, and it might cause problems with the fridge calendar<br />
[05:51:26] &lt;diwic&gt; But I'll struggle with it to next meeting :-)<br />
[05:51:51] &lt;TheMuso&gt; heh<br />
[05:52:35] &lt;rodrigo_&gt; diwic, yes, rodrmoya@gmail.com<br />
[05:53:58] &lt;diwic&gt; rodrigo_, would you mind following https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Fridge/Calendar instructions and try to set up a meeting dec 7?<br />
[05:54:14] &lt;diwic&gt; rodrigo_, and see if it works better for you?<br />
[05:54:20] &lt;rodrigo_&gt; ok<br />
[05:55:16] &lt;diwic&gt; [AGREED] Meeting interval is every 14 days, next meeting is Dec 7.<br />
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[05:55:44] &lt;awolfson&gt; hello<br />
[05:55:55] &lt;TheMuso&gt; Is there anything else that I need to be present for? Its getting late here...<br />
[05:56:21] &lt;diwic&gt; TheMuso, I was about to end the meeting unless awolfson or someone else has anything to add?<br />
[05:56:23] &lt;rodrigo_&gt; so, Dec 7 at 12PM CET, right?<br />
[05:56:32] &lt;diwic&gt; rodrigo_, right<br />
[05:56:47] &lt;TheMuso&gt; diwic: sounds good.<br />
[05:57:39] &lt;diwic&gt; ok, let's end the meeting then<br />
[05:57:41] &lt;diwic&gt; #endmeeting<br />
Meeting ended.<br />