Started logging meeting in #ubuntu-au
[05:00:51] <head_victim> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/Meetings
[05:00:57] <head_victim> As usual the agenda is located at the wiki
[05:01:37] <head_victim> And as customary we should start with a role call so feel free to write a line to indicate your attendance.
[05:02:00] <sagaci> this is my line
[05:02:01] <head_victim> Welcome jaddi27, we're just starting the roll call
[05:02:13] <head_victim> sagaci: there are many like it but this one is mine
[05:02:16] <jaddi27> hi everyone
[05:02:53] * dns53 waves to the room
[05:03:02] <dns53> how is everyone today
[05:03:30] <head_victim> Good, good. Anyone else around?
[05:04:24] <head_victim> Ok well I guess we should just get into it
[05:04:36] <jaddi27> Ok, sounds good
[05:05:02] <head_victim> I might leave the first topic to see if more people show up throughout the meeting
[05:05:08] <head_victim> So moving on to the second topic
[05:05:20] <head_victim> [TOPIC] Update on RTs
[05:05:53] <head_victim> Firstly I should explain what an RT is because I apparently updated the wiki for this topic when it was really late at night.
[05:06:11] <jaddi27> I was just about to ask about that
[05:06:22] <head_victim> RT is request tracker, the system Canonical uses to deal with support tickets. You can see more detail at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Request_Tracker
[05:06:47] <jaddi27> Right. That makes a lot of sense now
[05:06:55] <head_victim> So essentially anytime we, the loco, would like any Canonical services to be changed or updated we need to log an RT for Canonical to look into it for us.
[05:07:10] <head_victim> My apologies for not making this more clear on the wiki.
[05:07:51] <head_victim> So the first RT was about the planet
[05:07:58] <head_victim> [LINK] http://planet.ubuntu.org.au/
[05:08:21] <head_victim> As of today it has been updated to reflect the changes that were provided to me after my call to the mailing list.
[05:08:41] <head_victim> I have noticed a couple of minor issues with some icons but the content seems correct.
[05:09:00] <head_victim> So if you requested a change please check to make sure it is now how you want it.
[05:09:27] <head_victim> [ACTION] head_victim to email the list to confirm all changes made recently are now correct and no further modifications necessary.
[05:10:16] <head_victim> I wasn't sure it would be completed so I just wanted to make sure I kept everyone up to date
[05:10:17] <jaddi27> That sounds fine. I am not really sure what was wanted, so I am can't really answer that question unfortunately
[05:10:52] <head_victim> jaddi27: it was more for the people requesting changes to let them know they'd been made so they could double check them
[05:11:06] <jaddi27> yes
[05:11:19] <dns53> head_victim so if we need something changed we request it to you or to cannonical or is it someone else?
[05:11:24] <head_victim> It's nice to see we're starting to get a few more people on the list, and if anyone else would like theirs added please just let me know.
[05:11:52] <head_victim> dns53: all requests for loco related changes need to go through the team contact (me), this is pretty much the one official duty of the role
[05:12:10] <dns53> head_victim cool just making sure that was the case
[05:12:26] <head_victim> So because of that I wanted to make sure I'm keeping everyone informed of the progress.
[05:12:44] <head_victim> dns53: no problems, I'm always on IRC for a PM or email is just as good
[05:13:12] <head_victim> I have a shiny new ubuntu.com email address actually, so jarednorris [at] ubuntu [dot] com will also make it to me :)
[05:14:02] <head_victim> [LINK] www.ubuntu.com.au
[05:14:23] <head_victim> The second RT is to do with the discussion based around updating the drupal installation for our website.
[05:15:35] <head_victim> I have been in some conversation with some local Canonical folk and to get this moving along I have raised an RT with Canonical to update their installation to Drupal 6.
[05:15:57] <head_victim> As the way they have it set up affects more than just us as a loco they will need a few weeks for testing apparently.
[05:16:15] <head_victim> [ACTION] head_victim to email the list with any further updates
[05:16:46] <head_victim> So that basically concludes my round up of the RTs outstanding. Does anyone have any questions (am I moving too quickly?)
[05:16:55] <jaddi27> I thought that Canonical would have updated it earlier, seeing as all of the Ubuntu Drupal modules are made for Drupal 6
[05:17:12] <jaddi27> But it is good that they are looking into it for us
[05:17:21] <head_victim> jaddi27: I thought that as well but Canonical weren't even really aware of the UbuntuDrupal project it seems.
[05:17:53] <head_victim> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDrupal
[05:18:00] <jaddi27> I am quite suprised by that. All of the modules looked fairly official
[05:18:00] <head_victim> For those of you not sure that is the UbuntuDrupal project.
[05:18:47] <jaddi27> I am not sure whether this is the time or not to bring it up, but I think I have found a way to fix the issue with the l.u.c calendars coming up wrong in Thunderbird
[05:18:52] <head_victim> I have also added this information to the RT so that they can think about testing those modules as well.
[05:19:18] <jaddi27> That would be good if they made it official - it would be a lot easier for everyone
[05:19:58] <head_victim> jaddi27: I'm hoping they'll get together to talk.
[05:20:26] <head_victim> Will make our job easier to admin the site
[05:20:40] <jaddi27> Yes, it definitely would
[05:20:51] <head_victim> And help keep it fresh and up to date
[05:22:05] <head_victim> jaddi27: I guess your comment on loco.u.c rolls nicely into the last topic which we can do now if you like if everyone else is ok with the RT update?
[05:22:20] <head_victim> dns53, sagaci, everyone else ok to move on?
[05:22:30] <sagaci> yup
[05:22:39] <dns53> sounds good
[05:22:42] <head_victim> [TOPIC] Loco.ubuntu.com
[05:23:05] <blahdeblah> sorry i missed the start guys - did i miss anything important?
[05:23:25] <head_victim> blahdeblah: just an update on the RT status really so far
[05:23:37] <blahdeblah> Woot! My planet feed updated! Wow.
[05:23:47] <blahdeblah> :-)
[05:23:50] <head_victim> blahdeblah: if you can double check it's all how you want it that would be great :)
[05:24:13] <blahdeblah> Already did - all good
[05:24:22] <head_victim> And as a fellow website admin you might be interested to know Canonical are testing out Drupal 6 to install for us.
[05:24:36] <head_victim> Will take a few weeks or so apparently but at least the process has started.
[05:24:39] <blahdeblah> head_victim: Remember my saturated 100 Mbps Internet connection? ;-)
[05:24:44] <head_victim> blahdeblah: indeed :)
[05:24:52] <blahdeblah> Cool - we're long overdue for a Drupal upgrade
[05:25:12] <head_victim> blahdeblah: yeah I needed to get the ball rolling so we can hammer out the details on the list but at least now it's started.
[05:25:22] <head_victim> [LINK] http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-au
[05:25:30] <head_victim> Has anyone used this site much?
[05:25:30] <blahdeblah> well, don't let me stop you from getting on with it
[05:25:38] <head_victim> What do we think of it?
[05:25:55] <blahdeblah> ugh - laggy
[05:26:00] <head_victim> I am thinking it would be a nice place to use as basically our team calendar.
[05:26:11] <sagaci> looks fine and integrated
[05:26:26] <blahdeblah> I looked at it last time you posted it - does that count? :-P
[05:26:26] <head_victim> Currently I'm having to update meeting information in 3 places and it's getting laborious.
[05:26:31] <blahdeblah> I reckon
[05:26:32] <jaddi27> I think it works well, especially if it can be linked into ubuntu.com.au
[05:27:02] <jaddi27> It would be even better if it integrated with wiki.ubuntu.com
[05:27:06] <blahdeblah> Didn't someone say on the mailing list that once we get a Drupal upgrade we can pull the calendar into Drupal as well?
[05:27:07] <head_victim> As far as linking to ubuntu.com.au would a tab up the top that took you to it be good enough? We could get an RSS feed from it to the news section?
[05:27:20] <head_victim> blahdeblah: not 100% sure until it happens really.
[05:27:28] <dns53> so is http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-au the best calendar to use?
[05:27:42] <jaddi27> I would have thought we could make a block on Drupal that lists the rss feed
[05:28:03] <blahdeblah> jaddi27: Yeah, but that doesn't give nice formatting to the event
[05:28:04] <head_victim> dns53: well that is where Ubuntu (the community council) would like us to use if not primarily at least just a place to mesh up with the global events
[05:28:43] <jaddi27> blahdeblah: yes, that is true. We might be able to import it into the Calendar module if we can get that installed
[05:28:58] <head_victim> So my logic is if we're using this to align ourselves with the rest of the locos (bearing in mind activity on loco.u.c will be visible and easy to see come reapproval time) it might be easier to use this as a primary.
[05:29:11] <blahdeblah> sounds good to me
[05:29:54] <jaddi27> I would be happy with that to happen
[05:30:01] <head_victim> So can I run a test this month on loco.u.c to see how it goes. Basically instead of logging agenda items on the wiki anyone can log it to the loco.u.c site. I will make sure there are links everywhere to it.
[05:30:29] <head_victim> I have done this for the last few meetings and just linked to the wiki page and it's just as easy, if not easier, than doing it on the wiki in my opinion
[05:30:32] <blahdeblah> yeah
[05:30:41] <jaddi27> yes
[05:30:52] <jaddi27> What I was going to say before about the calendar in Thunderbird - if a 'Z' is added to the end of each of the date/times in the .ics file, it will work properly in Thunderbird/Lightning
[05:30:59] <head_victim> [ACTION] head_victim to email the list details of loco.u.c meeting information as a test for next month
[05:31:00] <jaddi27> This will make the events to be in UTC time, so Thunderbird will know to adjust the times to our local time as set in the program
[05:31:30] <head_victim> jaddi27: that's another bonus, no confusing the time. Most calendar programs are able to convert UTC pretty easily from what I understand
[05:31:54] * blahdeblah would definitely like to have a decent feed into Lightning
[05:32:18] <jaddi27> Yes, they are. However Thunderbird just detects the calendar as local time, as there is no time zone definition in the ics file
[05:32:46] <head_victim> MoLE_: good to join us, I was hoping you'd make it as you're up next, we're just discussing loco.u.c at the moment as a test for next month
[05:32:55] <jaddi27> So if the website was changed to add a 'Z' at the end of events in UTC time, they would import properly into Thunderbird
[05:33:03] <head_victim> jaddi27: logged a bug?
[05:33:13] <head_victim> I know the team dev this are keen for input
[05:33:26] <jaddi27> No, I haven't yet. I will do that very soon
[05:33:49] <head_victim> jaddi27: sounds good if everyone can benefit :)
[05:34:36] <head_victim> [IDEA] jaddi27 to log a bug against loco.u.c about the calendaring issue and let the mailing list know how it goes
[05:35:07] <jellyware> sorry I'm so late, I'm actually at another real-life meeting
[05:35:08] <MoLE_> Am on the mobile so can't interact much
[05:35:11] <head_victim> Ok, so are we happy to move on from this or is there anything else people want to discuss about loco.u.c?
[05:35:29] <head_victim> MoLE_: that's ok as soon as we're done on loco.u.c I had a couple of ideas for you for your topic
[05:35:53] <jaddi27> I am fine to move on now
[05:36:37] <head_victim> Cool,
[05:36:57] <head_victim> [TOPIC] Any suggestions for promotional materials (posters, flyers, etc) for the Natty release?
[05:37:03] <head_victim> MoLE_: your topic :)
[05:38:37] <head_victim> [LINK] http://spreadubuntu.org/ is always a great place to start looking for promotional material though if you didn't know it existed
[05:41:34] <blahdeblah> Sooo... Moving right along.........
[05:41:43] <head_victim> Does anyone else have any good places?
[05:41:52] <head_victim> I think MoLE_ is suffering on his mobile
[05:42:12] <jellyware> I agree about spreadubuntu. great site
[05:42:52] <head_victim> I was hoping to talk to elky about getting permission to upload the loco business card and poster to the site so others can use it as well but I keep forgetting
[05:43:11] <head_victim> It would be nice to use the basics of this for more loco specific material.
[05:43:31] <head_victim> I know ikt was working on some stuff for a while there but he's not around so maybe ask others on the list?
[05:43:46] <dns53> There are a few pages on the ubuntu wiki with other things but i'd use spread ubuntu
[05:44:18] <blahdeblah> I gotta say my enthusiasm for promotion is waning a little at the moment. The last time i tried i got pretty much stonewalled, and plus i work in schools mostly, so i'm a little fed up with all the iCrap that everyone seems to want.
[05:44:22] <head_victim> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/Projects/Artwork is where I have put up a few things in the past.
[05:45:02] <head_victim> But yeah, if MoLE_ is able to rejoin us I"m sure he can ask specific questions later, we've covered the basics I think
[05:45:22] <head_victim> blahdeblah: understandable with the library thing. Did you ever get a number of how many PCs need ubuntu for the flood relief?
[05:45:32] <blahdeblah> No, not yet
[05:45:35] * blahdeblah goes to ask
[05:46:11] <blahdeblah> I've pinged him - we'll see if he comes back to me soon
[05:46:23] <head_victim> blahdeblah: no worries
[05:46:39] <head_victim> Ok so I guess that leaves the last topic (which is the first on the wiki)
[05:46:49] <head_victim> [TOPIC] Natty Narwhal Release Parties
[05:47:05] <head_victim> We need to start locking in places and times so we can put them on loco.u.c and start advertising them.
[05:47:28] <blahdeblah> did you get a date/time sorted for Brisvegas?
[05:47:29] <head_victim> I just wanted to let people know it can be as simple as 2 people catching up for a coffee or as extravagent as 100s of people at a conference centre.
[05:47:43] <head_victim> blahdeblah: only you and caryb said anything at all.
[05:48:24] <jaddi27> I won't be able to go to the Brisbane release party
[05:48:45] <jellyware> I have been off the mailing list for the last couple of weeks. has anything been organised in melbourne yet?
[05:48:47] <head_victim> jaddi27: would moving it a week later make it work better for you?
[05:48:57] <head_victim> jellyware: not to my knowledge, shoot off to the list for some ideas.
[05:49:14] <head_victim> There has been talk of Sydney, Brisbane, Perth and Adelaide, nothing concrete anywhere yet though
[05:49:19] <jaddi27> head_victim: Not really, due to Uni commitments
[05:49:23] <jellyware> when does 11.04 drop?
[05:49:32] <head_victim> jaddi27: Saturday work better?
[05:50:14] <sagaci> jellyware: 28th?
[05:50:20] <head_victim> jellyware: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NattyReleaseSchedule
[05:50:32] <head_victim> sagaci: yep 28th
[05:50:51] <jaddi27> head_victim: I am not really sure yet. I will have to let you know closer to the time
[05:51:00] <head_victim> jaddi27: that's ok just seeing if it was a day of the week thing
[05:51:11] <head_victim> (you might have had lectures on a Friday evening or something)
[05:51:15] <jellyware> do we have a wiki page for local realease parties?
[05:51:24] <blahdeblah> jellyware++
[05:51:35] <jaddi27> Yes, I understand. We have a group project to do, and not much time to get it done
[05:51:49] <jaddi27> so a lot of time around then will be spent working on it
[05:52:12] <head_victim> jaddi27: just making sure, I understand uni is like that
[05:52:24] <jaddi27> Yes
[05:52:37] <head_victim> jellyware: we did have one at one stage for the last lot of parties I'mt rying to find it
[05:53:11] <jellyware> head_victim: I think I remember that too
[05:54:13] <jaddi27> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/Projects/MeerkatReleaseParties
[05:54:16] <head_victim> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/Projects/MeerkatReleaseParties
[05:54:18] <head_victim> awww beat me
[05:54:53] <head_victim> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/Projects/NattyReleaseParties I have just copied the previous one so we have a place
[05:54:55] <jellyware> can we start one for natty? I dont have a lot of time atm
[05:55:13] <jellyware> head_victim: you rock
[05:55:21] <head_victim> jellyware: done :) Just need to change it from the old info
[05:55:27] <head_victim> Wiki is my thing :)
[05:55:46] <jellyware> I'm thinking a cafe in melbourne might be the go
[05:55:55] <jellyware> rather than a bar
[05:55:58] <head_victim> blahdeblah, jaddi27 and other Brisbanites - I will put a Friday and Saturday to the list and vote for a week and go based on that.
[05:56:14] <head_victim> jellyware: we're going to the pancake manor here if no one else suggests anything better
[05:56:50] <jaddi27> ok, that sounds like the best way
[05:57:07] <head_victim> I would also HIGHLY recommend trying to coordinate with your local LUG, I will be asking permission to spam the HUMBUG list when we've set a date and time.
[05:57:38] <blahdeblah> yeah - Humbug definitely seem keen to work together, which is good
[05:57:40] <head_victim> jaddi27: if you know anywhere better than the pancake manor let us know as well
[05:57:52] <head_victim> blahdeblah: yeah I had a good chat when I went there to drop off the CDs for the uni students
[05:58:50] <head_victim> I don't think we have a large enough contingent here to lock in dates and places but maybe jellyware if you set up a Melbourne one, dns53 if you start reviving the Adelaide thread on the list and us Brisbane folk get organise we might have a few to choose from this release
[05:59:00] <jaddi27> head_victim: did you give Ubuntu CDs to HUMBUG for Uni open days? If so, I got one from UQ, so it seems to have worked
[05:59:22] <dns53> head_victim will do, anyone else in adelaide ?
[05:59:50] <head_victim> jaddi27: they were leftovers from LCA so glad to know it went where it was useful :)
[06:00:14] <head_victim> You'll have to let me know after the meeting how you came about getting it so I can see if they had a good presentation or not :)
[06:00:35] <head_victim> I do still have a small number of 10.10 CDs here for anyone wanting to use them
[06:00:39] <jaddi27> ok
[06:00:50] <sagaci> sydney release party?
[06:01:02] <head_victim> sagaci: there was talk, feel free to revive the thread on the mailing list
[06:01:10] <head_victim> Or start a new one :)
[06:01:33] <head_victim> Basically if no one appears to be showing much leadership with this stuff just get in, make a decision and advertise it. People will turn up
[06:02:15] <head_victim> Like I said you can do as much or as little preparation for it as you like so it can be nice and casual and easy if you want
[06:02:29] <head_victim> Please make sure someone takes pictures though
[06:03:30] <blahdeblah> head_victim: Clinton Roy suggested to me that we check out the Edge at the State Library as a meeting venue. Apparently they "get" Free Software.
[06:03:58] <head_victim> blahdeblah: yeah, I'm not sure how their flood relief is going and they also close at 6pm so would need to be a saturday afternoon
[06:04:06] <blahdeblah> fair enough
[06:04:41] <head_victim> Cool so we can move the release parties to the mailing list I guess, would be nice to have it finalised locations this time next week
[06:05:03] <head_victim> Anyone have any other topics or questions to raise (we're just hitting the hour now)
[06:05:52] <blahdeblah> Only the flood victim computers deal, but still waiting on info
[06:06:20] <head_victim> blahdeblah: that's cool, we could call it an installfest and put it on loco.u.c as well :)
[06:06:43] <blahdeblah> How many people would actually be ready to help out with an installfest for Qld flood victims?
[06:06:48] <head_victim> I think the more we use that the easier reapproval will be. I think in general we do enough for reapproval but we just aren't great at documenting it
[06:07:09] <head_victim> blahdeblah: I would definitely be up for it as long as I wasn't on shift. I'm sure caryb would be interested.
[06:07:23] <head_victim> Others would come along for tea and coffee and snacks :)
[06:08:42] * head_victim has just offered tea and coffee and snacks it would seem
[06:09:37] <jellyware> thanks head_victim
[06:09:56] <head_victim> sagaci, jaddi27, dns53, jellyware, others, can I call it a meeting and close it?
[06:10:07] <blahdeblah> go for it
[06:10:16] <jaddi27> yes, that is fine
[06:10:24] <dns53> i'm fine
[06:10:43] <head_victim> #endmeeting
Meeting ended.