Started logging meeting in #ubuntu-au<br />
[06:01:02] &lt;VK7HSE&gt; Ok Welcom ubuntu-au members,<br />
[06:01:04] &lt;jellyware&gt; agenda via https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/Meetings<br />
[06:01:31] &lt;VK7HSE&gt; tonight we are going to discuss the items that have been submitted to the URL above!<br />
[06:02:30] &lt;VK7HSE&gt; introductions, does anyone want to introduce themselfs (if they are new)<br />
[06:02:44] &lt;caryb&gt; Cary Bielenberg<br />
[06:02:51] &lt;VK7HSE&gt; ok go ...<br />
[06:02:51] &lt;nisshh&gt; Ryan Macnish<br />
[06:02:56] &lt;vk3xci&gt; Norm McMillan<br />
[06:03:00] &lt;VK7HSE&gt; Scott Evans<br />
[06:03:08] &lt;darkrose&gt; Lisa Milne<br />
[06:03:09] * quail Dale Hopkins<br />
[06:03:13] &lt;skwashd&gt; Dave Hall<br />
[06:03:14] * dns53 Daniel Sobey, adelaide, mailing list admin<br />
[06:03:17] &lt;kermiac&gt; Mitch Towner<br />
[06:03:20] &lt;jellyware&gt; peter baker<br />
[06:03:22] &lt;dejai&gt; Ben Wright<br />
[06:03:32] &lt;karmic_scents&gt; brett - long time user, non member, observer<br />
[06:04:13] &lt;VK7HSE&gt; [TOPIC] How to work forward<br />
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[06:04:36] &lt;VK7HSE&gt; Ok so we are all aware of the recent news...<br />
[06:05:12] &lt;quail&gt; yes<br />
[06:05:18] &lt;nisshh&gt; yep<br />
[06:05:20] &lt;kermiac&gt; yup<br />
[06:05:22] &lt;joey168&gt; Ferdinand Lehnard<br />
[06:05:26] &lt;vk3xci&gt; affirm<br />
[06:05:27] &lt;caryb&gt; yes<br />
[06:05:28] &lt;VK7HSE&gt; So... How is it best for us as a team to work forward ?  https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-au/2010-May/006166.html<br />
[06:05:29] &lt;joey168&gt; yeah<br />
[06:05:34] &lt;wattoone&gt; yes<br />
[06:06:38] &lt;dejai&gt; I think we need to maintain community involvement with events etc instead of it just being an IRC channel and a website.<br />
[06:06:41] &lt;quail&gt; One of the things I see how we can best move forward is to get a project going, as Software freedom is coming<br />
[06:06:54] &lt;quail&gt; +day<br />
[06:06:55] &lt;popey&gt; This might be a good place to start:- https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamKnowledgeBase#Running a Team<br />
[06:07:01] &lt;caryb&gt; I guess we need to discuss some form of structure<br />
[06:07:12] &lt;VK7HSE&gt; Now there are some points that the LoCo Council raised in that email, So we will need to work through that list ... Some may find some of the suggestions a little heavy!<br />
[06:07:27] &lt;joey168&gt; the ascca conference as further opportunity<br />
[06:07:39] &lt;popey&gt; Another useful link for you https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BuildingCommunity<br />
[06:07:54] &lt;vk3xci&gt; The first thing is to get some unity going before we even think of taking on projects!<br />
[06:08:04] &lt;darkrose&gt; +1<br />
[06:08:06] &lt;VK7HSE&gt; Nominate team leadership:  Ok this has been discussed a little recently on the mailing list, <br />
[06:08:09] &lt;nisshh&gt; +1<br />
[06:08:31] &lt;VK7HSE&gt; does anyone have anything they would like to add to that discussion?<br />
[06:09:04] &lt;dns53&gt; well i think the council probably made the right decision, we do need to move from where we are to where they want us to be<br />
[06:09:04] &lt;VK7HSE&gt; [TOPIC] Nominate team leadership<br />
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[06:09:05] &lt;nisshh&gt; would we still rotate roles around?<br />
[06:09:06] &lt;dejai&gt; Personally I dislike rigid structures look what happened to slug. I think some structure is important but you can certainly over do it.<br />
[06:09:08] &lt;jellyware&gt; a transition plan was discussed <br />
[06:09:53] &lt;VK7HSE&gt; tonight is not the night to make snap decisions on anything! its purely for "brainstorming"<br />
[06:09:54] &lt;jellyware&gt; I figure this process may take a couple of weeks<br />
[06:10:06] &lt;skwashd&gt; i don't think an IRC meeting called at short notice is the best place to discuss a new leadership team<br />
[06:10:20] &lt;skwashd&gt; that is also why i proposed the transition plan<br />
[06:10:42] &lt;nisshh&gt; skwashd: what IS the transition plan?<br />
[06:10:49] &lt;skwashd&gt; i strongly believed that the mailing list is the most inclusive forum we have available for having that discussion<br />
[06:10:59] &lt;VK7HSE&gt; skwashd: just checking, but have you seen the emails from the mailing list in regard to the Leadership <br />
[06:11:10] &lt;vk3xci&gt; With an informal structure, the talent usually gravitates to the top, which is an oxymoron I know, but it is dificult to nominate leaders when the membership is so poorly defined<br />
[06:11:20] &lt;skwashd&gt; VK7HSE: are there some in the last 30mins?<br />
[06:11:29] &lt;vk3xci&gt; eg, who gets to nominate, who gets to vote?<br />
[06:11:32] &lt;skwashd&gt; nisshh: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-au/2010-May/006224.html<br />
[06:11:35] &lt;VK7HSE&gt; skwashd: not that I'm aware of no...<br />
[06:11:36] &lt;dejai&gt; I agree with vk3xci <br />
[06:11:37] &lt;dns53&gt; i'd prefer if we don't vote today as we are rushing things, but we should start looking forward<br />
[06:11:48] &lt;dejai&gt; dns53, Agreed<br />
[06:12:01] &lt;joey168&gt; how it will be to look into personal meetings locally<br />
[06:12:11] &lt;VK7HSE&gt; dns53: I do not intend for any voting on such I want peaople to say what they feel would be best...<br />
[06:12:18] &lt;caryb&gt; I would like to see a structure & positions & put ppl in them later<br />
[06:12:30] &lt;vk3xci&gt; +1<br />
[06:12:31] &lt;skwashd&gt; VK7HSE: without reference to any specific post ... i am not sure which one/s i should have read ... but i have read everything on the list for the last week+<br />
[06:12:36] &lt;dejai&gt; caryb, +1<br />
[06:12:41] &lt;dns53&gt; caryb +1<br />
[06:12:50] &lt;penguincentral&gt; caryb: +1<br />
[06:12:53] &lt;VK7HSE&gt; skwashd: I was referring to the ones from Paul Gear & Dave Hall<br />
[06:13:12] &lt;skwashd&gt; VK7HSE: i am dave hall ... did you miss the intro? :)<br />
[06:13:17] &lt;nisshh&gt; +1<br />
[06:13:20] &lt;elky&gt; Here<br />
[06:13:23] &lt;VK7HSE&gt; yes! :-[<br />
[06:13:24] &lt;quail&gt; I think people that want to take on a particular roll short write a couple paragraphs on why and what they have to offer for the position<br />
[06:13:27] &lt;jellyware&gt; oh.  hey elky <br />
[06:13:41] &lt;skwashd&gt; caryb: that is exactly what the transition plan is designed to do<br />
[06:13:50] &lt;bejames&gt; quail +1<br />
[06:14:05] &lt;quail&gt; and we vote if there more than one person for the position<br />
[06:14:09] &lt;caryb&gt; I know but I verbalised what was not understood!<br />
[06:14:23] &lt;dns53&gt; quail what positions do we then need to fill?<br />
[06:14:27] &lt;nisshh&gt; shouldnt we define some positions first?<br />
[06:14:29] &lt;dejai&gt; I think we need more than a single person, it isn't fair to dump responsibility on one person.<br />
[06:14:43] &lt;caryb&gt; agreed<br />
[06:14:43] &lt;jellyware&gt; agree nisshh <br />
[06:14:50] &lt;skwashd&gt; nisshh: i think we need to define a purpose and structure first<br />
[06:14:50] &lt;penguincentral&gt; a while ago i suggested some positions that could be filled on the mailing list<br />
[06:15:00] &lt;quail&gt; dejai: +1<br />
[06:15:13] &lt;penguincentral&gt; maybe we could look into that?<br />
[06:15:17] &lt;nisshh&gt; skwashd: yea i meant before we vote for who does what<br />
[06:15:18] &lt;caryb&gt; can you extrapilate peng?<br />
[06:15:38] &lt;vk3xci&gt; Start with a team leader?<br />
[06:15:50] &lt;quail&gt; penguincentral: can you find the email on the online achive?<br />
[06:15:56] &lt;quail&gt; *archive<br />
[06:15:57] &lt;penguincentral&gt; sure. just give me a sec<br />
[06:16:18] * VK7HSE let me stress that there will be no voting on positions/roll/whatever tonight, we just need your thoughts & ideas ;)<br />
[06:16:37] &lt;quail&gt; dns53: the postitions to fill, that what we have to work out<br />
[06:16:46] &lt;dejai&gt; If we assess what the needs of the community are we structure a system around that instead of a typical rigid structure.<br />
[06:16:49] &lt;nisshh&gt; quail: exactly<br />
[06:16:53] &lt;penguincentral&gt; https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-au/2010-March/005741.html<br />
[06:17:06] &lt;dejai&gt; quail, +1<br />
[06:17:13] &lt;joey168&gt; to vote some one we should know each other a little<br />
[06:17:17] &lt;vk3xci&gt; The shape and structure is what we want for now<br />
[06:17:29] &lt;penguincentral&gt; take a look at that and tell me what you think<br />
[06:17:30] &lt;quail&gt; I personally think we should have a contact for each state/teritory<br />
[06:17:37] &lt;joey168&gt; for new members not that easy<br />
[06:17:51] &lt;quail&gt; and then one overall contact for AU<br />
[06:17:53] &lt;penguincentral&gt; quail: that was debated heaps when i posted that on the list<br />
[06:17:55] &lt;darkrose&gt; I think as an us loco we should have one canonical contact (who interacts between the loco and canonical) and one loco contact (basicaly the goto person for members... any thing else isn't needed, though if informal groups around the country want to have a group contact that should be encouraged but left to them<br />
[06:18:00] &lt;caryb&gt; I like that structure penguincentral<br />
[06:18:07] &lt;penguincentral&gt; caryb: thanks :)<br />
[06:18:13] &lt;caryb&gt; if we can get enough willing ppl<br />
[06:18:18] &lt;dejai&gt; joey168, Hang out in #ubuntu-au-chat to get to know the members.<br />
[06:18:19] &lt;joey168&gt; that's way I propose to start locally with personal meeting, let's say monthly<br />
[06:18:25] &lt;penguincentral&gt; caryb: we can vary the numbers<br />
[06:18:58] &lt;VK7HSE&gt; Ok so what are all the positions currently? We know that elky is the Official team contact and....  who else does what?<br />
[06:19:07] &lt;jellyware&gt; so lets make this basic.  we have a wiki page on suggestions for structure for the group that we vote on next week<br />
[06:19:07] &lt;kermiac&gt; darkrose: +1<br />
[06:19:14] &lt;vk3xci&gt; joey168: OK for the city, mildura may have a problem :)<br />
[06:19:21] &lt;skwashd&gt; the talk about f2f meetings seems like a waste of resources to me ... that is why we have LUGs<br />
[06:19:29] &lt;penguincentral&gt; VK7HSE: as far as i know, there isn't any other positions except for the mailing list mods and such<br />
[06:19:38] &lt;penguincentral&gt; jellyware: is there a link to that wiki page<br />
[06:19:56] &lt;elky&gt; We have 3 other mailing list operators, 2 other site admins, 1 active google group admin, We had 2 active ops until Phloston disappeared a few weeks ago<br />
[06:19:56] &lt;jellyware&gt; penguincentral, has'nt been created yet.  its a suggestion at this stage<br />
[06:20:01] &lt;penguincentral&gt; ok<br />
[06:20:15] &lt;penguincentral&gt; um... i believe there was one created ages ago<br />
[06:20:22] &lt;penguincentral&gt; i'll have a look for it<br />
[06:20:26] &lt;nisshh&gt; penguincentral: i like your role suggestion<br />
[06:20:33] &lt;penguincentral&gt; nisshh: thanks :)<br />
[06:20:42] &lt;elky&gt; I also have access to all of those aspects of things now<br />
[06:20:52] &lt;dejai&gt; But being a community doesn't responsibility extend further than who is the admin of what page?<br />
[06:20:57] &lt;joey168&gt; dejai: thanks for the tip<br />
[06:21:14] &lt;skwashd&gt; sorry xchat died<br />
[06:21:18] &lt;dejai&gt; joey168, No problem it is really active most of the time.<br />
[06:21:23] &lt;quail&gt; elky: can that sort of info be noted on the wiki<br />
[06:21:28] &lt;penguincentral&gt; https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-au/council/structure - for the two that worked on this, please forgive me for making this public ;)<br />
[06:22:02] &lt;elky&gt; quail, yes. We have dozens of wiki editors.<br />
[06:22:04] &lt;jellyware&gt; oh nice<br />
[06:22:41] &lt;dejai&gt; penguincentral, +1<br />
[06:22:53] &lt;quail&gt; elky: well you seem to know who has theses rolls, can you add it to the wiki please so the rest of us know<br />
[06:23:09] &lt;jellyware&gt; so lets polish this wiki and come back in a week and have a vote on structure<br />
[06:23:13] &lt;penguincentral&gt; in the wiki, it appears that number 2 describes my suggestion in my original mailing list post<br />
[06:23:20] &lt;skwashd&gt; sorry to back track a little ... the f2f meetings seems like a waste of resources to me ... that is why we have LUGs<br />
[06:23:26] &lt;dejai&gt; My main issue is that if we had state reps we wouldn't have enough members to even fill the councils so what is the point?<br />
[06:23:48] &lt;quail&gt; elky: it help take little burdon off of you when people know there other to contact beside you for minor probs etc<br />
[06:23:51] &lt;VK7HSE&gt; Ok I think we are getting a little diverted...  So at this stage we seem to be clearly divided in structure vs non-structure ... I agree that we need to document a plan for "structure" and revise at a later time...<br />
[06:24:00] &lt;skwashd&gt; launch parties are a different thing all together ... they are either for evangelising or drinking with like minded people<br />
[06:24:02] &lt;elky&gt; dejai, state reps is a bad idea.<br />
[06:24:03] &lt;penguincentral&gt; dejai: i'd imagine that the council would replace the state reps? correct me if i'm wrong<br />
[06:24:07] &lt;dejai&gt; elky, +1<br />
[06:24:08] &lt;penguincentral&gt; elky: +1<br />
[06:24:21] &lt;dns53&gt; elky +1<br />
[06:24:24] &lt;kermiac&gt; elky: +1<br />
[06:24:35] &lt;nisshh&gt; elky: +1<br />
[06:24:38] &lt;penguincentral&gt; the reasons against state reps are endless<br />
[06:24:39] &lt;caryb&gt; elky you mean in your opinion<br />
[06:24:40] &lt;kermiac&gt; we already have state "contacts" on the wiki<br />
[06:24:49] &lt;VK7HSE&gt; [TOPIC] Holding regular meetings <br />
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[06:24:53] &lt;elky&gt; caryb, linux aus can't achieve it either.<br />
[06:25:19] &lt;elky&gt; caryb, and they run a half-million-dollar conference in a different capital city each year.<br />
[06:25:35] &lt;kermiac&gt; state contacts wiki - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/ContactUs/UnofficialLocalContacts<br />
[06:25:38] &lt;dejai&gt; Personally I see a council of 3-5 people as best.<br />
[06:25:50] &lt;vk3xci&gt; Absolutely vital. we are a far flung group!<br />
[06:26:03] &lt;jellyware&gt; I think structure is a huge issue that we need time to think about<br />
[06:26:06] &lt;VK7HSE&gt; Holding regular meetings : Ok on the wiki it states that we would meet on a Tuesday at 21:00 EST ...  does this evening suite most ?<br />
[06:26:06] &lt;elky&gt; 5 is pushing it for percentage of active people<br />
[06:26:14] &lt;penguincentral&gt; elky: half a million dollars? where does the money come from?<br />
[06:26:21] &lt;nisshh&gt; dejai: you would want an odd number of people otherwise votes and the like could be deadlocked<br />
[06:26:26] &lt;caryb&gt; so far I see interest from Tassie, Adelaide , Sydney & Brisbane there is 4<br />
[06:26:27] &lt;penguincentral&gt; VK7HSE: that meeting time is fine by me<br />
[06:26:28] &lt;elky&gt; penguincentral, sponsors, regos etc<br />
[06:26:32] &lt;head_victim&gt; I believe there is already 3 - 5 people performing roles within the community but yeah, not too many more.<br />
[06:26:33] &lt;penguincentral&gt; ok<br />
[06:26:54] &lt;nisshh&gt; VK7HSE: suites me fine<br />
[06:27:05] &lt;dns53&gt; VK7HSE i have linuxsa meetings on the 3rd tuesday and lug comms meetings on the 4th, but they could overlap<br />
[06:27:06] &lt;VK7HSE&gt; Do we have anyone in W.A here currently?<br />
[06:27:09] &lt;wattoone&gt; meeting time ok<br />
[06:27:16] &lt;nisshh&gt; V im from WA<br />
[06:27:16] &lt;elky&gt; head_victim, not all everyone who performs a duty in an industry are qualified to lead it.<br />
[06:27:19] &lt;caryb&gt; suits me VK....<br />
[06:27:24] &lt;kermiac&gt; ok, meeting times - VK7HSE that time works for me<br />
[06:27:24] &lt;dejai&gt; VK7HSE, I am fine with this time slot<br />
[06:27:28] &lt;penguincentral&gt; elky: +1<br />
[06:27:35] &lt;head_victim&gt; elky: oh I didn't mean they were all leading, but a part of the structure.<br />
[06:27:39] &lt;jellyware&gt; i feel like we're discussing a few different issues here now<br />
[06:27:43] &lt;penguincentral&gt; yeah<br />
[06:27:46] &lt;dejai&gt; elky, But it is a community not an industry.<br />
[06:28:06] &lt;elky&gt; dejai, you're reading that sentance too literally<br />
[06:28:12] &lt;VK7HSE&gt; Ok clear to keep the meeting to a Tuesday,  now how frequent?  I suggest 1 per month<br />
[06:28:16] &lt;dejai&gt; Well currently some people still want to talk about the structure and others want to talk about meeting times.<br />
[06:28:26] &lt;head_victim&gt; VK7HSE: I second that 1 per month<br />
[06:28:27] &lt;nisshh&gt; once per month is good<br />
[06:28:31] &lt;penguincentral&gt; VK7HSE: once a month is fine.<br />
[06:28:37] &lt;dejai&gt; Once a month is fine<br />
[06:28:38] &lt;vk3xci&gt; Norm withdraws. Dyslexia makes it almost impossible to keep up, but I do so love chaos!<br />
[06:28:39] &lt;kermiac&gt; once a month seems good<br />
[06:28:45] &lt;joey168&gt; once per month is fine<br />
[06:28:47] &lt;wattoone&gt; once good<br />
[06:28:58] &lt;caryb&gt; I would say fortightly for 3 meetings to get the structure then monthly<br />
[06:29:01] &lt;elky&gt; vk3xci, logs will come later<br />
[06:29:03] &lt;jellyware&gt; what is the outcome of the discussion about structure?<br />
[06:29:06] &lt;penguincentral&gt; caryb: even better<br />
[06:29:07] &lt;VK7HSE&gt; dejai: structure was going to be documented on wiki so we can revisit this on the next meeting...<br />
[06:29:10] &lt;vk3xci&gt; cool<br />
[06:29:17] &lt;dejai&gt; VK7HSE, Alright.<br />
[06:29:26] &lt;jellyware&gt; VK7HSE, thanks for that<br />
[06:29:26] &lt;quail&gt; once per month is perfect<br />
[06:29:35] &lt;dejai&gt; That seems like the majority<br />
[06:29:43] &lt;vk3xci&gt; +1<br />
[06:29:44] &lt;elky&gt; monthly sounds good<br />
[06:29:53] &lt;jellyware&gt; should we meet every week till we work the current issues out?<br />
[06:30:02] &lt;vk3xci&gt; yes<br />
[06:30:04] * VK7HSE I can be opinionated, but nice sometimes! ;)<br />
[06:30:08] &lt;jellyware&gt; ie current structure<br />
[06:30:11] &lt;skwashd&gt; jellyware: you really want to meet with all of us weekly?<br />
[06:30:12] &lt;elky&gt; jellyware, you risk burning people out, but probably<br />
[06:30:17] &lt;head_victim&gt; I don't think more than once a month is feasible to get enough people to get a consensus<br />
[06:30:25] &lt;jellyware&gt; skwashd, esp you<br />
[06:30:26] &lt;dejai&gt; I think we have mailing lists for that<br />
[06:30:35] &lt;dejai&gt; We can set out topics which we can look at over a week<br />
[06:30:41] &lt;dejai&gt; instead of in an hour at a meeting<br />
[06:30:45] &lt;penguincentral&gt; VK7HSE: we have that wiki page that has most of the models up for consideration on that.  all we need to do is build on top of that if necessary.<br />
[06:30:47] &lt;skwashd&gt; dejai: i agree ... discuss it on list ... and post regular summaries<br />
[06:30:54] &lt;dns53&gt; i'd suggest every 2nd week<br />
[06:30:58] &lt;jellyware&gt; I feel like we need another meeting to discuss strurcture and another to impliment the structure<br />
[06:31:08] &lt;penguincentral&gt; jellyware: +1<br />
[06:31:11] &lt;joey168&gt; regular meetings are already part to form a structure<br />
[06:31:11] &lt;dejai&gt; jellyware, Can't we do that on the mailing lists?<br />
[06:31:19] &lt;caryb&gt; how about a poll with all the models & we vote on the best?<br />
[06:31:21] &lt;VK7HSE&gt; the mailing list is also a good resource to thrash out the finer detail of things..<br />
[06:31:34] &lt;quail&gt; I think the current structure chatter can be worked on in email, and then bought back to the next meeting in a month<br />
[06:31:35] &lt;skwashd&gt; jellyware: what about meeting to discuss meeting schedules/frequencies?<br />
[06:31:37] &lt;jellyware&gt; I agree caryb <br />
[06:31:43] &lt;head_victim&gt; jellyware: I agree but we need time to get ideas together and to think about them and to get a higher input rate the mailing list would probably be better<br />
[06:31:45] &lt;dns53&gt; caryb yes, but not for a few weeks<br />
[06:31:58] &lt;skwashd&gt; caryb: i would prefer a consensus based approach ... if possible<br />
[06:32:02] &lt;jellyware&gt; I don't think we can vote on things via the mailing list<br />
[06:32:09] &lt;head_victim&gt; Not everyone can attend meetings at a scheduled time even given enough notice.<br />
[06:32:10] &lt;jellyware&gt; we can only vote via irc meetings<br />
[06:32:14] &lt;jellyware&gt; in my opion<br />
[06:32:14] &lt;skwashd&gt; no ... but the website supports polls<br />
[06:32:19] &lt;head_victim&gt; I for one am a shiftworker.<br />
[06:32:20] &lt;jellyware&gt; opinion<br />
[06:32:27] &lt;elky&gt; jellyware, that's what the million web poll facilities on the internets are for<br />
[06:32:31] &lt;caryb&gt; poll picks up those who cant attend meetings<br />
[06:32:36] &lt;quail&gt; jellyware: not vote just gather a concensus for the next meeting<br />
[06:32:42] &lt;VK7HSE&gt; exactly (polls)<br />
[06:32:42] &lt;skwashd&gt; we can create a poll voter group and add people to that group once we verify their eligibility to vote<br />
[06:32:57] &lt;dejai&gt; But web polls don't reflect the community you want active participants not just silent voters that never contribute.<br />
[06:32:58] &lt;jellyware&gt; ok.  I'm good with online polls<br />
[06:33:05] &lt;head_victim&gt; skwashd: just get people to use their mailing list email to verify?<br />
[06:33:09] &lt;dejai&gt; Then again not everyone can make meetingfs<br />
[06:33:11] &lt;dejai&gt; meetings*<br />
[06:33:21] &lt;dejai&gt; So I am alright with web polls.<br />
[06:33:43] &lt;penguincentral&gt; sounds good to me<br />
[06:34:02] &lt;quail&gt; currently we need to weed through what rolls we want then vote on say finial 5 or so<br />
[06:34:02] &lt;VK7HSE&gt; So to semi sum up on meetings, at this stage we all agree (in principal) to maitian a Tuesday for meetings, the frequency for them is yet to be determined does this sound fair?<br />
[06:34:32] &lt;wattoone&gt; yes<br />
[06:34:34] &lt;penguincentral&gt; VK7HSE: i suppose so, though i wouldn't be surprised if we do go with monthly meetings<br />
[06:34:34] &lt;caryb&gt; sounds like monthly is concensus <br />
[06:34:34] &lt;joey168&gt; yes<br />
[06:34:41] &lt;elky&gt; jellyware, you're one of the original admins for the site, you should be able to set it up no worries.<br />
[06:34:52] &lt;dns53&gt; VK7HSE yes<br />
[06:34:55] &lt;kermiac&gt; VK7HSE: yes<br />
[06:34:56] * VK7HSE apologies for my spelling!<br />
[06:35:03] &lt;jellyware&gt; elky I'm not really the technical type I gotta tell you<br />
[06:35:15] &lt;quail&gt; VK7HSE: +1<br />
[06:35:31] &lt;elky&gt; jellyware, it's drupal.<br />
[06:35:52] &lt;orly_owl&gt; jellyware: i never would have guessed<br />
[06:35:53] &lt;dejai&gt; You can work out the technical issues later on setting up the polls.<br />
[06:36:09] &lt;quail&gt; ok there is a position, web programmer for the main drupal site<br />
[06:36:13] &lt;penguincentral&gt; how urgently do we need the poll?<br />
[06:36:18] &lt;jellyware&gt; so we can set up polls so people can't vote twice?<br />
[06:36:20] &lt;jellyware&gt; thats my fear<br />
[06:36:46] &lt;head_victim&gt; We don't need it until we have models to vote on which I don't believe are complete and documented yet so won't need a poll for at least 2 weeks<br />
[06:36:47] &lt;quail&gt; jellyware: yes, you make so they have to login to vote<br />
[06:36:49] &lt;dns53&gt; could we all email a third party? popey, would you be happy to collect the votes?<br />
[06:36:57] &lt;caryb&gt; if we use our nic we can cross reference<br />
[06:36:59] &lt;jellyware&gt; quail, nice<br />
[06:37:13] &lt;jellyware&gt; not that I don't trust anyone here.  just saying..../<br />
[06:37:47] &lt;dejai&gt; Mailing list would be another option<br />
[06:37:54] &lt;dejai&gt; people replying to their preferences.<br />
[06:37:57] &lt;dejai&gt; with*<br />
[06:38:00] &lt;head_victim&gt; dejai: some people might have issues doing it publically<br />
[06:38:02] &lt;VK7HSE&gt; [topic] Mending relationships in the spirit of Ubuntu<br />
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[06:38:11] &lt;jellyware&gt; hugs<br />
[06:38:11] &lt;head_victim&gt; I personally don't but there has been a lot of private stuff flying about I gather.<br />
[06:38:15] &lt;dejai&gt; That is a silly topic<br />
[06:38:21] * dejai slaps MootBot <br />
[06:38:30] &lt;penguincentral&gt; let's get on with it<br />
[06:38:41] &lt;vk3xci&gt; but essential, some bad merde has gone down lately<br />
[06:38:44] &lt;quail&gt; dns53: I don't think we need a third party to handle the votes if the poll is setup correctly on the main ubuntu au druple site<br />
[06:38:46] &lt;caryb&gt; I put it up so if there was any personall attacks we couls atone for our sins!<br />
[06:39:02] &lt;caryb&gt; personal<br />
[06:39:11] &lt;caryb&gt; & could<br />
[06:39:20] &lt;quail&gt; jellyware: I am happy to work with you on the druple site if you like<br />
[06:39:20] &lt;jellyware&gt; how do you suggest we atone for our sins?<br />
[06:39:22] &lt;jellyware&gt; curious<br />
[06:39:23] &lt;VK7HSE&gt; caryb: can you expand on Mending relationships in the spirit of Ubuntu<br />
[06:39:24] &lt;caryb&gt; cary smacks himself in the head<br />
[06:39:38] &lt;jellyware&gt; quail, I have no clue how to set up drupal polls<br />
[06:39:58] &lt;vk3xci&gt; RTFM<br />
[06:39:59] &lt;caryb&gt; Ubuntu & the humanity towards all men (women)<br />
[06:40:01] &lt;penguincentral&gt; i think it serves as a reminder for all of us to make sure that within the community we are acting with the upmost respect for other people and their opinions<br />
[06:40:02] &lt;dejai&gt; Well we are quite welcoming to new members I have seen that with our community over the past couple years. But what can we improve on as a community?<br />
[06:40:09] &lt;elky&gt; vk3xci, please dont.<br />
[06:40:17] &lt;quail&gt; jellyware: it should not be that hard it be just like a wordpress setup for example<br />
[06:40:48] &lt;jellyware&gt; quail, I have never done anything on wordpress either<br />
[06:41:18] &lt;quail&gt; jellyware: let me know if you want me to have a look<br />
[06:41:29] &lt;dejai&gt; I think the polling system technical details is a tangent we would all like to talk about being techies but we should probably get back on track<br />
[06:41:32] &lt;vk3xci&gt; ditto<br />
[06:41:38] &lt;caryb&gt; I was thinking the ego's should be left at the door, & we should be considerate of others opinions even if we disagree<br />
[06:41:43] &lt;penguincentral&gt; caryb: +1<br />
[06:41:52] &lt;quail&gt; jellyware: I am sure I have an account there, but I have not used it for ages, and forgotten the password<br />
[06:41:59] &lt;head_victim&gt; caryb: I agree, that is what the Code of Conduct is all about.<br />
[06:42:06] &lt;VK7HSE&gt; caryb: I'm doing my best tonight ;)<br />
[06:42:12] &lt;elky&gt; quail, drupal can do that common password resetting dance<br />
[06:42:28] &lt;kermiac&gt; I think that basically we should all re-read the CoC & ensure we abide by it - https://edge.launchpad.net/codeofconduct/1.0.1<br />
[06:42:32] &lt;quail&gt; elky: I know, I just off to do it<br />
[06:42:49] &lt;VK7HSE&gt; [topic] Review what we can do collaboratively as a loco<br />
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[06:43:05] &lt;VK7HSE&gt; kermiac: your turn to expand on this please <br />
[06:43:06] &lt;dejai&gt; Just be nice is an abbreviated version of the CoC<br />
[06:43:28] &lt;elky&gt; September being SFD is probably a good aim<br />
[06:43:29] &lt;dejai&gt; Well we chat in irc as a loco but not much else.<br />
[06:43:40] &lt;quail&gt; omg bright colours on ubuntu.net.au<br />
[06:43:47] &lt;penguincentral&gt; elky: what is SFD?<br />
[06:43:54] &lt;kermiac&gt; basically one of the *stand out* points for me with the letter from the loco council was that we are not seen to do enough together as a team<br />
[06:43:56] &lt;elky&gt; penguincentral, software freedom day<br />
[06:44:01] &lt;bejames&gt; idea for loco activity.: newbie night on IRC once a month<br />
[06:44:04] &lt;jellyware&gt; quail, I'm not much at web design either<br />
[06:44:05] &lt;penguincentral&gt; elky:  thanks<br />
[06:44:35] &lt;elky&gt; kermiac, was it you offering to organise bug jams?<br />
[06:44:42] &lt;dejai&gt; Bug triage day<br />
[06:44:43] &lt;quail&gt; jellyware: np, I will have look at after resetting pass on http://ubuntu.com.au/<br />
[06:44:48] &lt;caryb&gt; need a central calendar for events one comes to mind for me is sage-au conference in Hobart in Aug<br />
[06:44:52] &lt;kermiac&gt; I know we're all scattered across the country, so we need to find things to do collarboratively online together<br />
[06:44:57] &lt;kermiac&gt; elky: yes, that was me<br />
[06:45:15] &lt;kermiac&gt; dejai's idea, but I totally agree :)<br />
[06:45:17] &lt;bejames&gt; kermiac: agree<br />
[06:45:24] &lt;dejai&gt; kermiac, +1<br />
[06:45:25] &lt;VK7HSE&gt; Review what we can do collaboratively as a loco:  So what's out there that can be exploited (bad word I know) <br />
[06:45:27] &lt;penguincentral&gt; caryb: a central calendar is a good idea (I have talked about this in the past as well), it just needs someone to spend the time adding/finding events<br />
[06:45:41] &lt;head_victim&gt; caryb: there is an upcoming events on the website. How about when people become aware of things that are coming up they get mailed to the website admins to add to the calender?<br />
[06:45:43] &lt;penguincentral&gt; VK7HSE: exploited isn't necessarily a bad word ;)<br />
[06:45:53] &lt;elky&gt; VK7HSE, are you reading the discussion about bug jams? Thats something collaborative.<br />
[06:46:02] &lt;penguincentral&gt; head_victim: +1<br />
[06:46:16] &lt;dejai&gt; We could have contests like blogger of the week or something to that respect<br />
[06:46:23] &lt;dejai&gt; Since we have a planet<br />
[06:46:24] &lt;kermiac&gt; I offered to organise a bug jam, another suggestion has been organise online classes<br />
[06:46:29] &lt;VK7HSE&gt; elky: no I haven't URL ?<br />
[06:46:34] &lt;dejai&gt; Recognise content creators within the community<br />
[06:46:35] &lt;kermiac&gt; one sec<br />
[06:46:58] &lt;bejames&gt; online based bug jam would be great<br />
[06:47:14] &lt;kermiac&gt; VK7HSE: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Jams<br />
[06:47:16] &lt;penguincentral&gt; dejai: that might be a good idea<br />
[06:47:19] &lt;kermiac&gt; but slightly modified<br />
[06:47:27] &lt;kermiac&gt; as we need to do it online<br />
[06:47:29] &lt;dns53&gt; dejai +1 good idea<br />
[06:47:48] &lt;head_victim&gt; kermiac: we can make it so groups of locals can join up to do it online, but still sorta social?<br />
[06:48:00] &lt;joey168&gt; caryb: central calendar is good, may be the ASCCA meeting could be added too<br />
[06:48:07] &lt;kermiac&gt; head_victim: yes, that's a good idea<br />
[06:48:15] &lt;dejai&gt; I mean some sort of recognition for work in  the community might drive more activity<br />
[06:48:22] &lt;dejai&gt; Which is really important.<br />
[06:48:27] &lt;caryb&gt; exactly<br />
[06:48:44] &lt;dejai&gt; A bug jam would be a good way to get the community working together.<br />
[06:48:50] &lt;caryb&gt; we need to have release party's even if numbers are small<br />
[06:48:53] &lt;quail&gt; jellyware: ok reset my password<br />
[06:48:57] &lt;dejai&gt; Along with just recognising people for doing good work.<br />
[06:49:04] &lt;jellyware&gt; quail, huh?<br />
[06:49:10] &lt;quail&gt; on http://ubuntu.org.au/<br />
[06:49:20] &lt;jellyware&gt; quail, I don't have access to do that sorry<br />
[06:49:38] &lt;jellyware&gt; elky??<br />
[06:49:51] &lt;elky&gt; jellyware, huh?<br />
[06:49:58] &lt;AndrewBris_&gt; quail, just access the login page and request a new password.<br />
[06:50:26] &lt;jellyware&gt; elky, can you reset quail's password?<br />
[06:50:31] &lt;dejai&gt; Anyone else have suggestions for events?<br />
[06:50:32] &lt;bejames&gt; does this really need to be sorted out now?<br />
[06:50:52] &lt;bejames&gt; rfe pwd reset<br />
[06:50:55] &lt;elky&gt; jellyware, later. i'm trying to follow this and five other conversations<br />
[06:51:03] &lt;VK7HSE&gt; another thing that was mentioned to me was Ubuntu-hour ( http://www.ubuntu-user.com/Online/Blogs/Amber-Graner-You-in-Ubuntu/Ubuntu-Hour-Coffee-Company-Ubuntu-and-You )<br />
[06:51:06] &lt;dejai&gt; I was thinking maybe a create an app day where we have a small contest for writting an innovative app to fill a need in a day etc ( a small app ).<br />
[06:51:19] &lt;head_victim&gt; dejai: even just general lans/socials just after a release is out to help people when the new software is released.<br />
[06:51:29] &lt;quail&gt; jellyware AndrewBris_ sorry I ment I have reset it<br />
[06:51:30] &lt;dejai&gt; head_victim, +1<br />
[06:51:30] &lt;vk3xci&gt; elky, welcome to my world :)<br />
[06:51:33] &lt;dns53&gt; well a lot of us play computer games, (team fortress 2), perhaps organise playing open arena or something on a weekend?<br />
[06:51:38] &lt;caryb&gt; install days etc<br />
[06:51:42] &lt;jellyware&gt; quail, nice<br />
[06:51:47] &lt;dejai&gt; dns53, +1<br />
[06:51:49] &lt;head_victim&gt; I find release parties kinda social and stuff but not actually useful to install and update stuff because it's all still too new<br />
[06:51:51] &lt;elky&gt; vk3xci, no thanks, i've been in this one way too long.<br />
[06:52:06] * quail be on the site for 3 years and 35 weeks \o/<br />
[06:52:07] &lt;vk3xci&gt; nice<br />
[06:52:09] &lt;dejai&gt; I think gaming is a great way to socialise we could set up something as a group for that.<br />
[06:52:11] &lt;bejames&gt; so my idea which may have scrolled off was a new to ubuntu reqular session on irc<br />
[06:52:22] &lt;penguincentral&gt; dns53: +1<br />
[06:52:38] &lt;vk3xci&gt; +1<br />
[06:52:55] &lt;head_victim&gt; dns53: set up cross game clans even to promote ubuntu as an outlet for games?<br />
[06:52:56] &lt;kermiac&gt; I also like quail's idea of local install-fests & key signing. other opportunities to work together would be to collaborate on updating community wiki pages.<br />
[06:52:57] &lt;elky&gt; I sure hope we're not going to have to have a team-wide vote for small pockets of people having sporadic gatherings.<br />
[06:52:59] &lt;dejai&gt; dns53, Are you willing to organise that I will help.<br />
[06:53:07] &lt;karmic_scents&gt; I regularly attend lan game events. lots of file sharing and I have Ubuntu iso images available for others to download<br />
[06:53:12] * quail not in to the fps games, and being on 3G MBB lat really sucks<br />
[06:53:22] &lt;elky&gt; (ie, people will Just Do It)<br />
[06:53:23] &lt;dejai&gt; bejames, Interesting we would need to get some numbers though.<br />
[06:53:25] &lt;caryb&gt; thats a bit neg Elky<br />
[06:53:26] &lt;karmic_scents&gt; it would be nice to have a couple of dozen pressed cds<br />
[06:53:31] &lt;head_victim&gt; elky: exactly, we should not need permission, just be willing<br />
[06:54:10] &lt;jellyware&gt; so peoples.  we need to setup a poll for ways of structuring the group<br />
[06:54:18] &lt;elky&gt; caryb, no, i consider it to be streamlining. I'm not wanting to have to have a meeting to decide if three people in sydney will catch up for a coffee.<br />
[06:54:19] &lt;quail&gt; kermiac: and as someone locally bought to my attention is a 'live CD fest' inconjunction with a Installfest<br />
[06:54:29] &lt;penguincentral&gt; i agree, but being lassez-faire about it all isn't really helping anything<br />
[06:54:39] &lt;kermiac&gt; quail: what is a "live CD fest"?<br />
[06:54:47] &lt;caryb&gt; thats where a local structure would work better<br />
[06:55:02] &lt;head_victim&gt; caryb: no, adding more structures will not solve having to ask permission to meet up<br />
[06:55:06] &lt;caryb&gt; but agree don't need permission<br />
[06:55:19] &lt;dejai&gt; But I don't want a council telling me if I can go meet someone in the community :p<br />
[06:55:28] &lt;dejai&gt; But some sort of broader organising.<br />
[06:55:33] &lt;elky&gt; caryb, no, a local structure wouldn't work better. If people need to ask permission to meet, then something is pretty thoroughly broken<br />
[06:55:35] &lt;dejai&gt; For larger group activities is important<br />
[06:55:38] &lt;dejai&gt; Like triages etc<br />
[06:55:41] &lt;skwashd&gt; quick poll: have you ever attended a LUG meeting?<br />
[06:55:41] &lt;dejai&gt; An events manager<br />
[06:55:44] &lt;penguincentral&gt; a council wouldn't do that.  a council would be set up to help drive the community to reach the goals that the community sets<br />
[06:55:56] &lt;head_victim&gt; dejai: that doesn't need a structure necessarily, just needs someone willing to organise it<br />
[06:55:56] &lt;elky&gt; caryb, for reference, i've seen this happen to one of the african teams. Someone blogged without permission.<br />
[06:55:59] &lt;quail&gt; here some the SFD planning for SA => http://www.linuxsa.org.au/pipermail/linuxsa/2010-May/093068.html<br />
[06:56:05] &lt;VK7HSE&gt; Ok So where are we at? can we move some of this to the mailing list? as we are approching close to the "hour"   thoughts?<br />
[06:56:06] &lt;dejai&gt; skwashd, I am part of one but I have not been back since I got a parking fine :/<br />
[06:56:51] &lt;head_victim&gt; skwashd: I was going to investigate but started noticing an online trend to suggest my local one is not open to outsiders too much. But I can't deny or confirm that as I've not pressed it further.<br />
[06:57:12] &lt;penguincentral&gt; VK7HSE: yeah it's getting to that stage<br />
[06:57:21] &lt;quail&gt; kermiac: I gather it were you demo distros, without having to do a install :-P, ie people get to try before the install etc<br />
[06:57:29] &lt;karmic_scents&gt; skwashd: no, they're all too far away<br />
[06:57:47] &lt;kermiac&gt; quail: yeah, that could be incorporated well into the installfest :)<br />
[06:57:52] &lt;dejai&gt; quail, The issue with that is for people that have already done that<br />
[06:58:17] &lt;quail&gt; kermiac: quote this email => http://www.linuxsa.org.au/pipermail/linuxsa/2010-May/093073.html<br />
[06:58:21] &lt;dejai&gt; Personally I have never really had a desire for an installfest<br />
[06:59:02] &lt;dejai&gt; Alright so we have a lot of ideas we need to condense this into some sort of plan or conclusion<br />
[06:59:24] &lt;dejai&gt; 1. We need a structure for organising events and the community in general.<br />
[06:59:26] &lt;quail&gt; dejai: +1<br />
[06:59:33] &lt;caryb&gt; at our release party we had a couple of folks with there lappies wanting help with install of Ubuntu<br />
[06:59:36] &lt;dejai&gt; 2. We need regular meetings 1 time a month on a Tuesday.<br />
[06:59:43] &lt;head_victim&gt; dejai: very much so, documentation is what I see as the biggest issue in the group at the moment, unless it's documented it never happened as far as the loco council sees<br />
[07:00:10] &lt;dejai&gt; 3. We need to have some community drives / events such as a bug triage.<br />
[07:00:25] &lt;dejai&gt; These might also be 1 time a month or 1 time every 2 months.<br />
[07:00:36] &lt;dejai&gt; And if they gain interest they can be more regular<br />
[07:00:37] &lt;caryb&gt; shouls we have fortinght for a couple of meetings till we get back on track?<br />
[07:00:44] &lt;caryb&gt; should<br />
[07:00:44] &lt;quail&gt; Installfests are fun if they are setup right, ie having you own mirror on hand etc, saves alot of internet access<br />
[07:01:04] &lt;kermiac&gt; the idea of the installfest/live cd fest was as part of software freedom day, right?<br />
[07:01:10] &lt;penguincentral&gt; caryb: i guess we can work on it first on the mailing list, and if there is a need we can run extra meetings if appropriate<br />
[07:01:30] &lt;quail&gt; kermiac: yeah, but they can be held anytime<br />
[07:01:47] &lt;VK7HSE&gt; So is everyone happy to call this meeting ... and lets decide a time to next meet up ? is this fair ?<br />
[07:01:49] &lt;dejai&gt; caryb, Maybe fortnightly for the next month then we can re evaluate?<br />
[07:02:01] &lt;dejai&gt; VK7HSE, Wait<br />
[07:02:04] &lt;caryb&gt; if planned now we don't go through the "we didn't give enough time" problems<br />
[07:02:06] &lt;kermiac&gt; software freedom day makes sense as there is a good potential for people who would not normally be exposed to ubuntu<br />
[07:02:07] &lt;dejai&gt; VK7HSE, Have we come to any conclusions?<br />
[07:02:12] &lt;vk3xci&gt; 7hse: +1<br />
[07:02:25] &lt;quail&gt; kermiac: correct<br />
[07:03:02] &lt;quail&gt; kermiac: I have started a thread on the mail list about it already<br />
[07:03:23] &lt;quail&gt; as SFD is only about 17 weeks off iirc<br />
[07:03:30] &lt;kermiac&gt; quail: ok, the mailing list is a good place to follow up with that. I like the idea<br />
[07:03:48] &lt;dejai&gt; VK7HSE, Eh call the meeting. It has been an hour.<br />
[07:04:04] &lt;penguincentral&gt; dejai: +1<br />
[07:04:13] &lt;bejames&gt; Id like to suggest we all review the information popey posted at the start of the meeting<br />
[07:04:37] &lt;quail&gt; kermiac: basically I trying to use SFD for us all to collaborate, ie via internet on the day etc etc<br />
[07:04:49] &lt;kermiac&gt; ok, I'll post to the mailing list asking for people interested in participating in a bugjam. If there is enough interest we can work out the details on the mailing list or at the next meeting<br />
[07:05:02] &lt;penguincentral&gt; if you like i can start the discussion about council structure on the mailing list?<br />
[07:05:06] &lt;dejai&gt; kermiac, I won't reply on the mailing list since I don't use it but I will attend.<br />
[07:05:12] &lt;gorilla&gt; evening all.<br />
[07:05:24] &lt;kermiac&gt; ok, thanks dejai... I'll add you big +1 ;)<br />
[07:05:32] &lt;VK7HSE&gt; Ok penguincentral I think that's a good idea<br />
[07:05:39] &lt;quail&gt; kermiac: with a bugjam, you have to poll what package people are most interested in bugjamming<br />
[07:05:39] &lt;penguincentral&gt; thanks :0<br />
[07:05:42] &lt;penguincentral&gt; :) *<br />
[07:05:50] &lt;head_victim&gt; penguincentral: as long as it's not circular like the previous one<br />
[07:06:32] &lt;bejames&gt; head_victim: how can we stop that from happening?<br />
[07:06:40] &lt;VK7HSE&gt; Ok ....  please lest continue the discussed items on the mailing list ... I think its fair to call the meeting at this point.  <br />
[07:06:43] &lt;head_victim&gt; bejames: by people follwoing the CoC<br />
[07:06:48] &lt;vk3xci&gt; Be nice<br />
[07:06:59] &lt;wattoone&gt; night all<br />
[07:07:12] &lt;dejai&gt; -- Meeting over --<br />
[07:07:14] &lt;VK7HSE&gt; [endmeeting]<br />
[07:07:19] &lt;dejai&gt; Now all back to ubuntu-au-chat :)<br />
[07:07:27] &lt;elky&gt; quail, that's a suggestion not a mandatory thing.<br />
[07:07:29] &lt;head_victim&gt; reposting the same info in excess of 5 times within a week is a repetitive argrument<br />
[07:07:30] &lt;gorilla&gt; dejai: Must we?<br />
[07:07:30] &lt;penguincentral&gt; head_victim: tell the people that reply to that thread, how would i be able to influence that?<br />
[07:07:31] &lt;VK7HSE&gt; #endmeeting<br />
Meeting ended.<br />